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About LinkBacksThey'll never go after Germany though, who has consistently been in the 6% range.Originally Posted by He3
They'll never go after Germany though, who has consistently been in the 6% range.
So were going to take a cleaver to our budget and further worsen our recession just to obey this arbitrary rule in a new pact that uses EU institutions but pretends its not an EU treaty...that we don't even have to join at all.
I wonder if they have any idea just how much their recent actions are making pro-EU people seriously reconsider their position.
This orwellian PR trend is starting to scare me ''oh its not an EU treaty but it is ''
Is this going to be the way things go now, don't like how the actual EU states view things so created a new EU where some of the countries in the old EU don't count.
The sick thing is, in their minds, this is an 'olive branch' to the reluctant members, like I said Orwellian thinking.
Do they really think treating any dissent like treason and ignoring and bypassing it is going to make people positively disposed to the EU
They did this before with Lisbon threatening to create a 'new eu' without Ireland and abandon the old one, a similar threat was made when France rejected the constitution, what kind of dictatorial way is this to build a union, I'm starting to wonder of Maggie was right about the French and Germans all along, I found it bizzare when I read she was opposed to German reunification , I thought who could be opposed to such a lovely thing, said they would be too powerful again, I had no idea what that meant, until now.
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Boleslaw Bierut, President of Poland in 1946We have journeyed to you, comrade Stalin, as our great friend in order to report our consideration on the course of events in Poland and check on the correctness of our evaluation of the political situation in our country
Our situation will be like that of Eastern Europe under the USSR. We will have the trappings of political office but no power.
The government is rightly p!ssed off at us seeing the draft.
They say that release of the draft by Council President van Rompuy was "unorthodox" and (even worse in diplomatic terms) a "break with tradition".
Get used to it folks,
Decision on referendum need be delayed no longer. At least not on the grounds that "we haven't seen a draft"
Last edited by He3; 17th December 2011 at 11:18 AM.
He3, here is what is apparently a working copy of the FU treaty.
EU fiscal agreement draft: in full - Telegraph
"What all the wise men promised has not happened and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass". Lord Melborne, on Catholic emancipation in Ireland
hands up all who did not expect to read something along similar lines.
Germanys got what it wanted in 1940 without any military action, it rules Europe now based on purely a false impression of the economic situation in Europe, not a shot fired.
The rest of us are just provinces of the empire now, not equal states, thats how were seen, a frindge annoyance to be 'managed' not an equal partner to be respected and negotiated with.
Our weak ass Taoiseach joining this thing when he does not even have to is not gonna do anything to change that.
Mmmm, looks familiar....
That looks like the text pasted in the OP with added scribbles. I wonder whose?
Why?
Article 8 references article 3.2, which requires member states put rules in place, which are accepted by national parliaments. A failure to do so, as agreed, can be litigated in the ECJ on a complaint by another member state. That's hardly earth shattering in terms of national sovereignty. The crotty judgment did not have a problem with the economic aspects of the SEA.
Can you elaborate?
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