EU set to hammer a nail into the coffin of free speech

[AT1990]

Ya'll need to say ************************ you to the EU, and tell them "were not going to be part of the world's pussy."

[Catalpa]

Well its not all bad news - the Germans couldn't dominate all of Europe this time round either! :wink:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0419/racism.html

But does this mean that Holocaust denial will become a crime here in some format in the next few years?

Who will decide if Holocaust Denial is being used to incite hatred or not?

Surely if we already have Laws dealing with incitement to hatred this proposed Law would be superfluous?

[AT1990]

Germany is a weak country nowdays.

[Respvblica]

Well its not all bad news - the Germans couldn't dominate all of Europe this time round either! :wink:

The Germans were never great diplomats and the brief flurry with imperialism(1890-1945) was a disaster, unlike Britain and France who revelled in it. Poor Germans were dominated by pretty well everyone in their history until around 1870. Despite being the largest nation state(and the only one of teh big countries which is not an amalgamation of different nationalities) they lack confidence as a nation and I see the Germans going back into shell as time goes on.

[Universal_001]

You know....every time the EU does something odd like this, I keep thinking to myself "I don't remember giving the EU the power over (insert area here)"

I gotta read these treaties more often before I vote on them...I wonder if we all read every last word of them...would a single one of them ever have passed?

I ddin't think anything could top them trying to make builders taking their shirts off illegal (to prevent sunburn...for your own good like...) but this is it...I finally hate the EU.

[Shankill Browser]

I ddin't think anything could top them trying to make builders taking their shirts off illegal (to prevent sunburn...for your own good like...) but this is it...I finally hate the EU.

That's a myth started by the British tabloid press. The EU never tried to make it illegal for builders to take their shirts off. What they did say was that employers had a duty of care to provide protective items of clothing and equipment etc to employees if the job required them. Ultimately however it was up to the individual whether or not they used/wore them or took them off.

[baldur0300]

You know....every time the EU does something odd like this, I keep thinking to myself "I don't remember giving the EU the power over (insert area here)"

I gotta read these treaties more often before I vote on them...I wonder if we all read every last word of them...would a single one of them ever have passed?

I ddin't think anything could top them trying to make builders taking their shirts off illegal (to prevent sunburn...for your own good like...) but this is it...I finally hate the EU.

Treaty of Rome - "ever closer union". That's what we signed up to.

[Thac0man]

I think it is correct to exclude Stalinism from the ranks of the Genocidal. His policies may have killed 200 million(?) and many marked for death were marked based on traditonal Russian blood feuds (even though Stalin was from Georgia) - but that is still not a systematic genocide. Mass murder yes and ethnic cleansing yes, but not genocide.

The fact that there is no provision to punish denying "ethnic cleansing" seems a strange omission. The Armenian genocide perhaps does fall under this catagory, as does certain Stalinist policies and ex-Yugoslavian.

But the fact is ethnic cleansing and mass murder are still being carried out in the CIS in the wake of the Chechen war. Given Europes demonstrated dependance on Russias oil I think any move to criminalise "denial of ethnic cleansing" would be doomed, even though it would be of far greater value going foward. Hence I think the entire excercise is a load of hollow, ill concieved euro bull************************.