Anarchist gunned down by Greek Police

[davehiggz]

So the great working class struggle involved stealing cars

[Cael]

So the great working class struggle involved stealing cars

We dont know that there is any truth to that at all - its only what the hired Fascists had to say. Besides, it may well be necessary to commandeer transport as part of the Class War.

[arcadeparade]

I never like to hear of anyone of any persuasion killed but terrorists deserve what is coming to them. Anarchists are like cockroaches: squash them whenever and wherever you can for the betterment of society.

Ignorant and sickening.

[damon]

Cael - this 'solidarity' is all very well - but you don't want to sound like ''Muzzie'' over it.

You shouldn't violently attack the police when your country is in recession.
I'd be horrified if people were trying to injure the nice Gards that were out in Dublin yesterday.

Remember this poor kid in Genoa? The Italian police behaved disgustingly during that event, but he got himself killed by trying to smash the brains out of police officers trapped in a vehicle, with a fire extinguisher.

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[Clanrickard]

And what about Goldman Sachs role in this? Can we shoot them as well?

Just because Ron Paul and his band of loopers says it doesn't make it so Cas. Greece's problems are of the more mundane variety. Overspending.

Actually I think you'll find that because a certain proportion of people in a country picked the giant douche over the turd sandwich, that doesn't make a giant douche a legitimate government.

Thanks for clarifying.

But what about the idea that elections are a piece of state apparatus? They consolidate the power of the state (when the victors claim to be mandated by the majority), while in reality offering no genuine alternative, and no chance for ordinary people to take any control over their own lives.

This is not my idea of what democracy should be, and therefore I see no reason why I should necessarily respect a government elected by such a system. Obviously this will cause howls of derision from those who consider 'democracy' to be the end of any argument (as opposed to the start), but I'll live with it.

To give a counter example - were the resistance fighters of WWII France criminals? After all, they were actively defying the democratically elected Petainist state?

Ok lets look at he choice on over in Greece 2009:

articipate in at most two parliamentary constituencies.

* New Democracy
* Panhellenic Socialist Movement
* Communist Party of Greece
* Popular Orthodox Rally
* Coalition of the Radical Left
* Ecologists Greens
* Marxist-Leninist Communist Party of Greece
* Communist Party of Greece (Marxist-Leninist)
* Workers Revolutionary Party
* Democratic Revival (Stelios Papathemelis)
* Union of Centrists (Vassilis Leventis)
* Popular Union – Chrysi Avyi (Nikolaos Michaloliakos)
* Dimosthenis Vergis – Greek Ecologists
* Organization for the Reconstruction of the Communist Party of Greece
* Koinonia (Emmanouil Voloudakis)
* Democrats (Δημοκρατικοί) (M. Meletopoulos)
* Anticapitalist Left Cooperation for the Overthrow (ANTARSYA)
* Light – Truth – Justice (Φως – Αλήθεια – Δικαιοσύνη) (Konstantinos Melissourgos)2
* Friends of Man (Φίλοι του Ανθρώπου) (K. Stamoulis)1
* Regional Urban Development (Περιφερειακή Αστική Ανάπτυξη) (South Kolitsi)1
* Old Republic (Παλαιά Δημοκρατία) (A. Daskalopoulos)1
* Smoking Groups for Art and Artistic Creation (Καπνιστικές Ομάδες για την Τέχνη και την Εικαστική Συγκρότηση, ΚΟΤΕΣ), (Nikos Louvros)1
* I Give Away Land, I Give Away Debts - Panagrarian Labour Movement of Greece (Χαρίζω Οικόπεδα, Χαρίζω Χρέη' - Παναγροτικό Εργατικό Κίνημα Ελλάδος), (M. Tzalazid

As you can all see there is no shortage of left wing anti-capitalist groups. There were 23 parties yet most Greeks went for PASOK. It shows A) that even in a country in dire straits like Greece the far left is not seen by anyone as a sane alternative B) they went for the tried and failed. If I was running a company or organisation and I left a mountain of debt and dysfunctional administration what would be my chances of re-election? Zero. But not in Greece. They went for the party that had a stellar record of failure and spun them a cock and bull story which they bought.

The cops too have a well-earned reputation for using violence, as could be well-attested by many who have sought to exercise their right to peaceful protest, here and elsewhere.
For the betterment of society, I'd like to see people like you crushed, with your dunce's acceptance of the state monopoly of violence.

Have you proof of this record of violence? Facts and figures as opposed to propaganda on "the state monopoly of violence". Well you won't see people like me crushed EVER. Because I believe in democracy and the free market and in the European Union in every single election parties with the same ideas are elected. Communists don't get elected as the far left is seen for what it is....... a total failure.

Such as Murray Rothbard? And you call me stupid? Dear oh dear.

Yes he is a nut.

Substitute the word Greece for Ireland, typical right wing nonsense from another right wing free marketeer not directly affected by the current economic crisis telling people who are directly affected, but had no hand, act or part in said crisis you got what you deserved when they clearly didn't.

I am affected by the current crisis..big time. I am not blaming everyone and out causing trouble in the street. I will seek the overthrow of parties whose ill thought out poulist rubbish caused the problem and advocate proper free market capitalism. It is the only show in town

Spoken like a true Nazi.

When people resort to using the word Nazi in a debate it is a sure sign they have run out of ideas.

[Clanrickard]

Its only the scum bag capitalist parasites that will need re-education.

Just in case anyone does not get the "re-education" reference these clips should give you a sense of what Cael is referring to.





And the simpleton has the audacity to associate Jesus with communist tyranny!

[petervalhala]

In the midst of mass working class struggle against austerity measures, 35 year-old anarchist Lambros Foundas was murdered by police on the morning of 10 March in Athens.

He shot first and wasn't murdered, unlike his victims

[Jack White]

Have you proof of this record of violence? Facts and figures as opposed to propaganda on "the state monopoly of violence".

If you really don't acknowledge that as a historical and structural reality, then you are either too ill-informed or too much of a proselytiser to be taken seriously.

Your utterly ignorant reduction of Anarchism strongly indicates the former.

It is laughable that you consider the idea of the state monopolising violence, as propaganda. I'm reasonably sure it was propounded by Max Weber, who was no advocate of Leninist Socialism. Putting it mildly.

I believe in democracy

If you knew anything about Anarchism, you would realise how little you have to teach anyone about democracy.

[Clanrickard]

It is laughable that you consider the idea of the state monopolising violence, as propaganda.

It uses violence to protect the state and the people which it is entitled to do.

If you knew anything about Anarchism, you would realise how little you have to teach anyone about democracy.

Really? Based on the Bakuninist view of what anarchism is I'd say the middle class poseurs in black want an overthrow of the state and the collectivization of all property. People of such beliefs are people from hell in my book and are the enemy of democracy prosperity and frankly are a threat to civilization.

[new jewell]

Once again Anarchists hi-jack the concerns of thousands of Greek workers as they take to the streets in protest. 40,000 workers march down one street and world cameras focus on 150 Anarchists wearing helmets and throwing stones.The organisers PAME supported by the Greek communist party have disowned this rabble,but their message is been drowned out by Anarchist theatrics.