Anarchist gunned down by Greek Police

[Mouroux]

He was gunned down --we are talking about a human being here. But, fine, go ahead and laugh and make lot's a shallow *************************y comments... but it could happen to you (it seems that for most of us everything is some kind of put-down or joke, until it arrives on your own doorstep). But this man's family will be devastated. Maybe you will all be good little boys and stay in doors and avoid any 'trouble', but your time will come too, maybe sooner rather than later --maybe you will get cancer, over 40% of people get cancer for example, and then maybe you will understand what it means when a human being dies. But this man was murdered, imagine how his family must feel?

Whatever happened to all the anger at the banksters and the politicians they OWN? Irish people are reverting to 'sit down the back of the church' mode again!

[Cassandra Syndrome]

Typical stupid comment. Stick to your goofy economic theories.

Quite an oxymoron there. Do you think this incident has nothing to do with economics?

[Sync]

But this man was murdered, imagine how his family must feel?

How do you know he was murdered? I don't see anyone mocking the loss of life here, I see people pointing out that it's ludicrous to automatically assume that every officer related shooting is wrong.

There's 2 conflicting sides to this, one is the police's version that this was a guy on a watchlist with previous convictions who shot at police while trying to rob a car. The other is that (I presume) he was walking unarmed at night and was executed. Now I don't know which of those is true. How do you? Because if it's the former it's certainly not murder.

[Still Sceptical]

If people don't like the government they can vote the government out. The Greeks have chosen the same parties time and time and time again. What is more it is the same clans running the show. The present PM had a father and grandfather who were PMs.

The government of course is democratically elected so it is deserving of respect as it is the the embodiment of Vox Populi. If the government transgresses then they can seek recourse through the courts.

Those who use violence against the state and criminals and outside the law. If they use violence then the sttae has a duty to resist the violence is a robust manner.

The state requires legitimacy, and the Greek govt is in short supply. Under such condition, the right of the state to use force against its citizens can be called into question. Rememeber, govts with high levels of legitimacy do not require much use of violence and generally use non-violent coercive methods to achieve goals. However, those with low levels of legitimacy often require violent coercive action to control their population, which can be seen on some levels in Greece.

[Clanrickard]

Quite an oxymoron there. Do you think this incident has nothing to do with economics?

Yes it has. In the midst of the worse economic crisis in modern Greek history the Greek people, in their wisdom, voted a party into power that promised no wage cuts to the public service when the dogs in the street, indeed the fleas on the dogs in the streets, knew it was simply impossible. Thanks to their Ostrich like denial of reality things are worse. It is their fault so smashing up their cities and posing with balaclavas, black flags and Che Guevara T-shirts can't hide that simple fact.

[Clanrickard]

The state requires legitimacy, and the Greek govt is in short supply. Under such condition, the right of the state to use force against its citizens can be called into question. Rememeber, govts with high levels of legitimacy do not require much use of violence and generally use non-violent coercive methods to achieve goals. However, those with low levels of legitimacy often require violent coercive action to control their population, which can be seen on some levels in Greece.

This government is less than a year old. The Greek people voted for this government in free and fair elections. This government is legitimate. End of.

[Cassandra Syndrome]

Yes it has. In the midst of the worse economic crisis in modern Greek history the Greek people, in their wisdom, voted a party into power that promised no wage cuts to the public service when the dogs in the street, indeed the fleas on the dogs in the streets, knew it was simply impossible. Thanks to their Ostrich like denial of reality things are worse. It is their fault so smashing up their cities and posing with balaclavas, black flags and Che Guevara T-shirts can't hide that simple fact.

And what about Goldman Sachs role in this? Can we shoot them as well?

[sarahj]

Yes it has. In the midst of the worse economic crisis in modern Greek history the Greek people, in their wisdom, voted a party into power that promised no wage cuts to the public service when the dogs in the street, indeed the fleas on the dogs in the streets, knew it was simply impossible. Thanks to their Ostrich like denial of reality things are worse. It is their fault so smashing up their cities and posing with balaclavas, black flags and Che Guevara T-shirts can't hide that simple fact.

Hahahaha, funnier and funnier. So the people who worked hard and are on the dole queue now are to blame, just them? Not those in power with cozy jobs making real decisions?

You get more and more hilarious clan.

[sarahj]

This government is less than a year old. The Greek people voted for this government in free and fair elections. This government is legitimate. End of.

Actually I think you'll find that because a certain proportion of people in a country picked the giant douche over the turd sandwich, that doesn't make a giant douche a legitimate government.

[Sync]

The state requires legitimacy, and the Greek govt is in short supply. Under such condition, the right of the state to use force against its citizens can be called into question. Rememeber, govts with high levels of legitimacy do not require much use of violence and generally use non-violent coercive methods to achieve goals. However, those with low levels of legitimacy often require violent coercive action to control their population, which can be seen on some levels in Greece.

Surprisingly most governments do feel the need to use force against someone who is shooting at their police officers while trying to rob the car. Which is all that's ontopic here. If the guy had a gun and shot first, or the police believed he was going to shoot, this is a perfectly legitimate kill. If he was unarmed then there should be prosections.

Everything else is windowdressing, an attempt to create a strawman to try and get around the simple nature of this event.