“Ireland for Europe - an Anti-democratic agenda?

[ibis]

Still trotting those lies. Is there anything you don't lie about???

"Lying" would suggest that FT knew that there was a gap between his fantasies and reality. I don't think that's the case.

[Mercurial]

No, it didn't. Please try and inform yourself on the subject.

Easier said than done, apparently.

[YoungLiberal]

Still trotting those lies. Is there anything you don't lie about???

I haven't figured out if he's a liar or if he's merely horrendously stupid.

[hiding behind a poster]

Laffan is right on this bit though:Very true. Resist the Franco-German push to turn the debate on the EMF into a Trojan Horse for yet another Federalist Treaty.

You don't know what a Trojan Horse was, do you?

[hiding behind a poster]

I think you'll find it did - does the term "self amending treaty" ring a bell?

It rings a bell in the sense that it has nothing to do with the argument you previously made. As I was saying, you should try and inform yourself better on the subject, and if you did you'd discover that Article 48 (the so-called "self-amending Treaty" article) does not in any way remove or dilute Ireland's own absolute right to hold a referendum on any amendment to the Lisbon Treaty that has constitutional implications in Ireland. No change to the pre-Lisbon position.

[ibis]

In some ways, this is a prototypical p.ie thread. A eurosceptic has cited parts of an article, grossly misrepresenting the thrust of it in doing so...

KEY FIGURES involved in the campaign that led to a Yes vote in the second Lisbon Treaty referendum have cautioned against another referendum on an EU treaty for a long time to come.
...
Prof Laffan warned against any further treaty reform for some time to come. “The EU must now work with the treaties and institutions that it already has for at least 15 years, as both the domestic systems and Europe’s electorates cannot cope with further treaty change.

...and the usual suspects have plunged in on top of the OP's misrepresentation, repeating a ritual condemnation of something that doesn't exist except in that misrepresentation.

At no point does it appear to have occurred to any of the chorus line to read the article for themselves. Instead, they will go away happily convinced that they, and they alone, are critical thinkers alive to the anti-democratic forces in Irish society, as opposed to a bunch of repetitive intellectual midgets too lazy to click a link.

Happy Paddy's Day!

[hiding behind a poster]

Given how the McKenna and Coughlan judgements were discarded during the campaign with respect to equal-airtime, it hardly gives grounds for confidence with respect to the durability of the Crotty Judgement.

Well then why don't you, or anyone else, take a court case?

[Catalpa]

But the No vote WAS heeded. If it hadn't been, there wouldn't have been a second referendum.

For crying out loud

- it was exactly the same Treaty we were voting on!

[YoungLiberal]

For crying out loud

- it was exactly the same Treaty we were voting on!

That doesn't change the fact that the no vote was heeded though, does it?

[hiding behind a poster]

For crying out loud

- it was exactly the same Treaty we were voting on!

So you've never changed your mind about anything, ever, at all?