“Ireland for Europe - an Anti-democratic agenda?

[Passer-by]

How hypocritical of you considering the argument for a second referendum was that the people 'didn't understand it'.

I was quoting your comment. Are you now admitting you were hypocritical to quote the Supreme Court ruling that it doesn't matter why the people voted No in Lisbon I?

Either the reasons why people voted the way they did matter or they don't. Which is it?

PS Any comments on why you are refusing to respect the decision of the electorate that it is okay with them when other member states choose not to hold referenda?

[MrFunkyBoogaloo]

Oh please,what utter rubbish while the recession, played a part the public was more informed about the treaty and had been assured by the measures put in place, as for lies do we need to rehash all the huge lies the No side told before the referendum and the one you still keep going on about!!

Future Taoiseach is absolutely correct. Without the Recession, IMO, the Irish people would have sent another NO back to the EU. Some [COLOR=red]33%[/COLOR] of those asked, voted YES (the second time around) for economic reasons. A Eurobarometer survey showed that Knowledge of the Treaty (or lack of it) fell by only 5% since the 1st referendum.

I posted a thread on this last november. You miss it?

http://www.politics.ie/lisbon-treaty...barometer.html

Read it before you call what others post rubbish!

[FutureTaoiseach]

I was quoting your comment. Are you now admitting you were hypocritical to quote the Supreme Court ruling that it doesn't matter why the people voted No in Lisbon I?

Either the reasons why people voted the way they did matter or they don't. Which is it?

PS Any comments on why you are refusing to respect the decision of the electorate that it is okay with them when other member states choose not to hold referenda?

I never argued that the actual holding of a second referendum was illegal. What I believe was illegal was the violation of the McKenna/Coughlan cases on 50:50 public-funding and airtime. There is no way there was equal airtime on RTE.

As for it being the EU Constitution under another name, big deal they went back and rejigged it to a better format which was accepted!!!

Not by the French/Dutch publics that had rejected it. It was accepted by their Quisling govts. I understand there is a tradition of this sort of thing in French/Dutch politics though....

[USER1234]

I never argued that the actual holding of a second referendum was illegal. What I believe was illegal was the violation of the McKenna/Coughlan cases on 50:50 public-funding and airtime. There is no way there was equal airtime on RTE.Not by the French/Dutch publics that had rejected it. It was accepted by their Quisling govts.

Again that your definition of the McKenna/Coughlan, but yet its funny that nobody has taken a case on that!!!

Not by the French/Dutch publics that had rejected it. It was accepted by their Quisling govts. I understand there is a tradition of this sort of thing in French/Dutch politics though....

Be as big a smartass as you want FutureTaoiseach but it was ratified in the legally constituted manner as proscribed in French and Dutch National law (which has nothing to do with us or the E.U.) and if you don't like it then tough really!!!

[FutureTaoiseach]

Again that your definition of the McKenna/Coughlan, but yet its funny that nobody has taken a case on that!!!

We don't all have millions stashed away in Ansbacher accounts like the elite.

[USER1234]

Future Taoiseach is absolutely correct. Without the Recession, IMO, the Irish people would have sent another NO back to the EU. Some [COLOR=red]33%[/COLOR] of those asked, voted YES (the second time around) for economic reasons. A Eurobarometer survey showed that Knowledge of the Treaty (or lack of it) fell by only 5% since the 1st referendum.

The bit you forgot to mention is that before it said that it said that [COLOR="Red"]52%[/COLOR] said they did so because the EU has been good for Ireland, with [COLOR="Red"]44%[/COLOR] saying it was in Ireland's interest

[FutureTaoiseach]

The bits your msiing out on though is that [COLOR=Red]52%[/COLOR]said they did so because the EU has been good for Ireland, with [COLOR=Red]44%[/COLOR] saying it was in Ireland's interest

That was 52% of the yes voters i.e. 33% of the overall electorate. These were people who had already voted yes in the first place. In that context, it was only won because of the economy. In that context, it was a vote of fear - not hope. The elites deceived the people with promises of jobs that are now all but forgotten. Had the people known this, they would have voted no.

[USER1234]

We don't all have millions stashed away in Ansbacher accounts like the elite.

May you or i don't (im dam sure i don't!!!) but im sure the anti Lisbon treaty groups have the money to fight this case and yet they decline to, why is that??

[MrFunkyBoogaloo]

The bit you forgot to mention is that before it said that it said that [COLOR=red]52%[/COLOR] said they did so because the EU has been good for Ireland, with [COLOR=red]44%[/COLOR] saying it was in Ireland's interest

Eh.. I posted the original thread with the links to the survey!?! How then did i miss them?

You said that FT's assertion; that without the recession the referendum would not have passed was "utter rubbish". Clearly the eurobarometer survey shows that it is not a rubbish suggestion!

[FutureTaoiseach]

Eh.. I posted the original thread with the links to the survey!?! How then did i miss them?

You said that FT's assertion; that without the recession the referendum would not have passed was "utter rubbish". Clearly the eurobarometer survey shows that it is not a rubbish suggestion!

Hear hear!