EU Army

[Cassandra Syndrome]

willie said it, does that not say enough, willie,porkies, never!

When questioned on this guarantee Willie O' Dea explained that this was as a result of the collapse of Lehman Bros.

[st333ve]

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The Americans and British are the military might behind a government that are deemed more oppressive and corrput than the Taliban.
They are now making moves to allowing the Taliban back into power.

Stupidest war in human history.

What will they start a war over next?
Will people who like brown sauce start fighting people who like red sauce?

This is the kind of crap which Irish kids will be sent off to die for if the EU manage to pull together an imperial war machine.

[ryson]

If Germany wants a war in oil-pipeline-istan we can only guess why.

[ibis]

If Germany wants a war in oil-pipeline-istan we can only guess why.

It would undoubtedly be guesswork:

http://www.russiamap.org/images/full/other-inogate.gif

[st333ve]

It would undoubtedly be guesswork:

Those B@stards!

Stopping that pipeline in Louth, we need gas up here too!

[setanta]

Where is the EU army?

We were told there would be one in 1973, 1987, 1993, 1998, 2001, 2002 and 2009.

My guess is that CIÉ were put in charge of transport...

+1

Quickest way to nail this latest lie about the EU is to remind people of the many previous times that this particular lie surfaced only to be shown to be false.

There has been the facility for some time now, well before Lisbon, for EU countries to create a standing army. None has been created so far, and even if the Lisbon processes are used to do so in the next few years, not only do we (i.e. Ireland) have a cast-iron opt-out from participating in a common defence, but we also have a veto over any proposal to create such a capacity in the first place.

[ibis]

+1

Quickest way to nail this latest lie about the EU is to remind people of the many previous times that this particular lie surfaced only to be shown to be false.

There has been the facility for some time now, well before Lisbon, for EU countries to create a standing army. None has been created so far, and even if the Lisbon processes are used to do so in the next few years, not only do we (i.e. Ireland) have a cast-iron opt-out from participating in a common defence, but we also have a veto over any proposal to create such a capacity in the first place.

There's a quite genuine discussion worth having on the extent and role of EU military strength, but it's impossible to have here because of the number of people who:

1. persistently mistake the operations of member state armies operating using EU logistical capabilities for "EU armies"

2. persistently misunderstand the legal basis for such an army, if created

3. apparently think with the twist in their knickers (the Fourth-Reichers, neo-Napoleonists, NWO-heads etc)

An "EU army" would be literally that - "a European army under full parliamentary control". Given the current legal arrangements for foreign affairs, the most probable legal chain would be with the Council operating on a basis of unanimity, requiring Parliamentary assent to operations and budgets, and with the Commission in charge of day to day operations.

Currently what we have doesn't resemble that at all - we have joint multinational forces from member states (and often including non-members like Norway) utilising certain logistical and C&C capabilities in support of UN objectives. The only thing "EU" about such armies is what is essentially communications materiel/personnel.

Now, whether the first thing is something we want or not - or want, but in an extremely limited set of roles - or whether we prefer to keep military powers entirely with the member states - is a discussion worth having, but it's not worth having a set of panicky loonies shrieking that the sky has fallen and we'll all be enslaved, conscripted and aborted by a neo-Napoleonic imperialist Ultra-Catholic Forth or Fifth Reich.

[st333ve]

+1

Quickest way to nail this latest lie about the EU is to remind people of the many previous times that this particular lie surfaced only to be shown to be false.

There has been the facility for some time now, well before Lisbon, for EU countries to create a standing army. None has been created so far, and even if the Lisbon processes are used to do so in the next few years, not only do we (i.e. Ireland) have a cast-iron opt-out from participating in a common defence, but we also have a veto over any proposal to create such a capacity in the first place.

Having an opt out or veto is completely irrelevent when your politicians are obedient pawns.

If the EU elite requires Irish troops, they will get them.

[He3]

Being in a real army is preferable to rotting on the dole. The economy of this country is banjaxed , there will not be any jobs for young men for the distant foreseeable future.

What a choice.

[st333ve]

You get more money on the dole in the ROI than you get joining the British army.

Britain spends atleast 50 billion on war, if they invested that money they could easily create a lot of real jobs for people instead of strapping guns to kids and sending them off to die for a crap wage.

They could build 12 new super hospitals and staff them.

War is so glorified in Britain that its ridiculious, the only real notable culture the English have is war, war medals, war memorials, dressing in war costumes, celebrating their past wars, marching about war, creating tv programmes about war, parading war coffins through the streets, parading their army through the streets, sticking war medals on people, having war ceremonies etc..

There was some trashy British propoganda programme on last night about how the British navy shaped the modern world.
They really do think that their guns give them some sort of superiority over the world and that the spilling of blood is civilised and great.