EU Army

[kerdasi amaq]

more paranoia. When was the last time conscription was introduced in ireland?

1918.

There, happy now!

[Son_Of_The_Republic]

Being in a real army is preferable to rotting on the dole. The economy of this country is banjaxed , there will not be any jobs for young men for the distant foreseeable future.

That's just the attitude the elite requires.I'm reminded of this:

In Haig's presence, Kissinger (Henry) referred pointedly to military men as "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy

[st333ve]

British people are some of the most state controlled people in Europe, they take pride in it.
Being Loyal is a positive thing, doing what youre told is a positive thing.
Dying in a stupid war is something to be proud of.

They are the model puppets, the elite around the world should take note.

Ireland should never mirror this shambles.

The dole is much better than being a pawn squaddy, most squaddies end up dead, crippled or in jail after learning violent ways.
People on the dole have the chance of getting a real job.

[charley]

which theme tune does this eu army prefer
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7TXBuVUQJw&feature=related"]YouTube- I was only 19[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMxVZ1S6qmQ&feature=related"]YouTube- The White Stripes - Seven Nation Army[/ame]

[Grumpy Jack]

1917.

Wrong, as usual.

The British government attempted to introduce conscription in Ireland in March/April 1918. It was met with massive resistance from politicians, media and the people. The plan was eventually shelved in August 1918.

The Hay Plan & Conscription In Ireland During WW1 - Waterford County Museum

Conscription Crisis of 1918 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[The Field Marshal]

Marshall Mitty, maybe you can fly it so. Then the plane can join you in the clouds.

Admit it.

You dont like being contradicted or proved to be wrong ,on even what is after all a very minor point ,not relevant to the main theme of this thread.

If thats your way of debating, where you cant see the wood for the trees I,had better get into my aircraft fast and get out of your way before you burn the forest down.

[He3]

He3, you and others on P.ie have an obsession about the EU and an 'EU Army' that I would class as paranoid. Some of your OPs just reinforce this.

http://www.politics.ie/europe/38636-eu-warships.html

http://www.politics.ie/justice/12041...not-apply.html

http://www.politics.ie/europe/112870...ns-solana.html

http://www.politics.ie/europe/94213-...itical-ok.html

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Very nice of you to revisit those threads. The common feature of the OPs is that they quote from official sources, and cast light on official thinking.

If you regard drawing attention to what people like Solana and the rest are saying on the record, especially where it appears to contradict what Irish officials say about the topic, or where it illuminates EU thinking in a way that official Ireland is publicly silent on, as paranoid, I respectfully disagree.

I liked your line earlier about sitting on defence though.

[Grumpy Jack]

Very nice of you to revisit those threads. The common feature of the OPs is that they quote from official sources, and cast light on official thinking.

If you regard drawing attention to what people like Solana and the rest are saying on the record, especially where it appears to contradict what Irish officials say about the topic, or where it illuminates EU thinking in a way that official Ireland is publicly silent on, as paranoid, I respectfully disagree.

I liked your line earlier about sitting on defence though.

What you have highlighted is comments and suggestions from politicians across the EU. But that's all they are, suggestions.

Such things would be the subject of long, complex and detailed discussions and negotiations before they could even come to the Council of Ministers for a vote. And even then, Ireland (and every other members state) has a veto.

On defence matters, we can either veto, join up or simply decide not to take part. There is no obligation for Ireland to take part in any EU defence arrangements - and Lisbon does not change that.

My problem with these threads is they let the serial wingnuts loose - and then you have clowns like Kerdasi Amaq and St333ve suggesting that conscription to an EU Army to fight a far-off war is just around the corner. Which exactly what they have done in this thread.

Thanks re the defence line - but it's a serious point too. We've been doing it for so long we've splinters up the arse. We should either become a truly neutral state, like Switzerland, or join up to NATO or EU CDSP.

The current cute hoor Fianna Fail approach is political and moral cowardice.

[The Field Marshal]

Very nice of you to revisit those threads. The common feature of the OPs is that they quote from official sources, and cast light on official thinking.

If you regard drawing attention to what people like Solana and the rest are saying on the record, especially where it appears to contradict what Irish officials say about the topic, or where it illuminates EU thinking in a way that official Ireland is publicly silent on, as paranoid, I respectfully disagree.

I liked your line earlier about sitting on defence though.

Grumpyjack believes everything he says is right,always right.

He has absolute and blind faith in all the EU treaties and is convinced beyond all argument that Ireland is complete mistress of her own destiny.

He unfortunately does not ,or perhaps does not want to understand ,that
all treaties have a habit of being made utterly redundant due to changing circumstances.

Irrespective of any treaty, membership alone of the EU is sufficient to render a country subservient to the collective ethos of the club.

Unfortunately this ethos is being driven by certain EU hawks supported by powerful vested interests.

[Grumpyjack is blissfully oblivious to all of this as he peers into the woods trying to find the trees]

[kerdasi amaq]

I have no intention of volunteering to join any EU army to fight anyone. If they want to get involved with a war with anyone, they'll have to fight it without me.

Logically, a major war requires conscription, and no member state can be allowed to avoid introducing it.