German military machine grows (Rheinmetall/MAN merger)

[Thranduil]

The former head of German military inteligence has revealed that Germany is not really a sovereign country

YouTube- Germany's sovereignty restricted by US and allies?

Under a secret agreement in 1949 between the prostrate Germans and the US all german political parties are controlled by the US as is the German military. Also the German gold reserves are held in the US.(Max Keiser has also referred to the German gold being held in the US).

The Germans had to agree or the state of West Germany would not have been allowed into existence

Naturally Gerd Helmut Komossa came under heavy criticism and the MSM in Germany prefer not to discuss the issues. The main bookstore chain refuses to stock the book.

They have thousands of foreign troops from UsUk stationed within their borders in peacetime, many people would call that the very definition of an occupation. It used to be that it was said this was cold-war support or earlier than that to maintain order in the chaos of post WW2 - but those excuses no longer wash, Germany is nominally regarded as sovereign and democratic and the Iron Curtain has fallen. Germany pays for these troops itself so the argument (sometimes mooted) that their presence stimulates the economy in Germany is a null point, another explanation is that Germany and the US and UK are just so.... friendly that Germany doesn't mind having these troops here, but in the real world Germany and USUK have different policies in many areas and their economies are in competition, no two countries are that 'close' that one of them in peacetime would permit another to maintain a substantial military presence on it's soil. It may be that the German Govt is unhappy with these troops but will not ask for them to be removed as this might prompt a refusal and the status quo allows Germany AND Usuk to pretend they are there with the Germans' blessings, which avoids an international crisis.

Let's not forget Japan and the extremely unpopular US military presence in that country (which they also have to pay for), could be a case in parallel.

I think the Germans are occupied, as are the US and the UK and that's the truth of it. It's a few hundred famillies that control events, a definite very tiny minority of voices anyway. You can tell when in roulette the wheel is spun and the ball always settles on black that something is wrong with the wheel or the ball. When Obama and Bush favor certain famillies like the Goldmans with trillion dollar bailouts when money is scarce, when they launch massive wars based upon lies far away and cannot afford them then you know this is the kind of action that also favors a tiny few people, a core of insiders. When in the UK all three parties promote wars that they cannot afford. When Germany gives free warships to Israel, when the whole 'West' pretends nothing unusual is happening when that country continues to violate all principles of humane behaviour. When massive paranoia is disseminated because of a few attacks that in themselves remain controversial (as to whether the stated enemy was really behind them or if it was internal workings), to the point where in the UK today they are talking of bringing their army onto the streets. It's clear that there are anti-democratic forces within these nations (and likely our own too) who have cornered the 'market' on democracy and effectively run the show through control of the parties themselves and they work for people with a definite and narrow agenda of their own.

We must never get duped into joining NATO and maintain our neutrality at all costs, taking a different position is always a negative. I pity England that has to spend so much on these wars that do not benefit the people because it's forces aren't locked into a neutral position, the US is in the worst state and has to spend more on it's military than the rest of the world combined to feed the desires of this international elite, i guess in that way Germany are fortunate (although they must pay in other ways i guess just as we do) but at least not in blood (well until they involved themselves in Afghanistan) as well, i guess sometimes it is the case that winning a World War has it's drawbacks too, just as losing one does.

[Al.]

The former head of German military intel(l)igence has revealed that Germany is not really a sovereign country

Save your propaganda for Usenet, please. Stop piling it on here.

[IvoShandor]

There's a lot you don't know, apparently. Kohl's actions on December of 1991 (recognising the independence of Croatia and Slovenia, even going so far as to threaten rifts with their allies) were the direct cause of the big conflict five years after, justifying the claims of those that said that war would result. (This is the same Kohl that said "(a) European army and European police force lie at the end of the road to European Union".) Yugoslavia was more or less stable before Kohl did that (the only ones "gagging to go at it" were the Croats); Tito's demise had absolutely nothing to do with it. Kohl stirred up the Croats in particular with his recognition of their independence; Franjo Tudjman and his Ustashe took things the rest of the way.

For the benefit of those who were living in a cave from 1985 to 1992, here is a simple chronology of only some events
For a start the repression and persecution of the Kosovans had been going on for quite some time,from the mid-eighties.
In January 1990 the Yugoslav Communist Party split along ethnic lines. Also in January hat same month, violent riots in Kosovo took several lives. The JNA (the Yugoslav Army...largely Serb) restored order. The other nationalities began to move towards secession.
In August 1990,Serbs in the Serb-majority Krajina district of Croatia began to agaitate for secession from Croatia. Milosevic announced that if Yugoslavia broke apart, there would have to be border changes that would unite all ethnic Serbs in a greater Serbia.
Slovenia and Croatia organized militias and armed the police. In March 1991, Serbs in Croatia proclaimed an autonomous Krajina, which was recognized by Milosevic.
In June 1991, Slovenia and Croatia proclaimed their independence. The JNA seized the customs posts on the borders of Slovenia. After fighting between Slovene militia and the JNA, The yugoslav armyJNA units withdrew and allowed the Slovenes to secede.
In Croatia fighting began with warfare in Krajina between the Croatian armed forces, Serb militias, and local JNA units. stationed there. In August , Serbian regular army units attacked Vukovar and Dubrovnik. Vukovar was destroyed and captured.

More or less stable,eh?

[reknaw]

Europa kann nicht eher zur Ruhe kommen, bevor die jüdische Frage ausgeräumt ist. Die Welt hat Siedlungsraum genügend, es muß aber endgültig mit der Meinung gebrochen werden, als sei das jüdische Volk vom lieben Gott eben dazu bestimmt, in einem gewissen Prozentsatz Nutznießer am Körper und an der produktiven Arbeit anderer Völker zu sein.

When will Merkel give this speech?

Ach Du lieber Gott! Der Dorftrottel ist schon wieder an den Computer gekommen!

For those who don't understand German, here is a translation of the text quoted by Fir Bolg:

"Europe will not have peace until the Jewish question has been disposed of. The world has sufficient capacity for settlement, but we must finally break away from the notion that a certain percentage of the Jewish people are intended, by our dear God, to be the parasitic beneficiary of the body, and of the productive work, of other peoples."

Fir Bolg failed to give chapter and verse, but it is an extract from a speech by one Adolf Hitler to the Reichstag in January 1939.

It's quite a stretch indeed to compare Angela Merkel to Hitler. Why, she doesn't even have a noticeable moustache.

[southwestkerry]

... and maybe as already stated on page one here its all just business.

[The Field Marshal]

I don't konw is it as simple as saying Germany started two world wars Al. The first world war came about as a consequence of the system of alliances at the time; when Ferdinand was assainated the two blocs paired off. World War II, you could say, was a continuation of World War I, with the terms of the Versailles treaty and the contiginous economic privations goading the Germans into military resurgence. According to the Anglo-American outlook there was no space for a German power and they set to destroy it.

But I do think you are correct your assesment of today's nascent realpolitik. I don't think the Germans have been working away, living in relative austerity in a controlled low inflation economy merely for the benefit of feckless peripheral EU countries such as ourselves under the guise of EU brotherhood. Defeat still sits uneasily with them and they may, in the future, experience a resurgence of national pride. Don't forget there is still unfinished business in the Sudentenland, East Prussia, the Ukraine and even Romania, where pockets of ethnic Germans still live, and many others are claiming recompense for their confiscated lands. Germany is also in favour of stronger links with Turkey, from before WWI their has existed a special relationship between Turkey and Germany. Forging alliances with Russia will also be in their interests.

Plans were drawn up back in 1943, when Germany were preparing for 'losing the war but in the long term winning the peace', so who knows how this will pan out. Onr thing for sure, Germany is the strongest economy in Europe and if America breaks down I can see the Germans filling that gap.

America will not break down.

Conceding that the strongest economy in Europe must needs dictate Europes foreign policy is contentious , divisive and questionable.

[Breadan O'Connor]

It's a few hundred famillies that control events, a definite very tiny minority of voices anyway. You can tell when in roulette the wheel is spun and the ball always settles on black that something is wrong with the wheel or the ball. When Obama and Bush favor certain famillies like the Goldmans with trillion dollar bailouts when money is scarce, when they launch massive wars based upon lies far away and cannot afford them then you know this is the kind of action that also favors a tiny few people, a core of insiders. When in the UK all three parties promote wars that they cannot afford. When Germany gives free warships to Israel, when the whole 'West' pretends nothing unusual is happening when that country continues to violate all principles of humane behaviour.

In 2005 the BBC showed an excellent documentary series about Russian oligarchs called "Russian Godfathers". I wasn't surprised by the fact of massive coruption in Russia or the fact these oligarchs were corrupt.

What did surprise me was the close links which existed between these oligarchs and the west. For example the oilgarch Boris Berezovsky was a business partner of GW Bush's brother Neil. More significantly when the oligarch Khodorkovsky(Russia's richest man) was sent to jail, US politicians like Joe Lieberman, John McCain and Tom Lantos launched a frantic anti-Russian campaign, demanding Russia be thrown out of the G8. These oligarchs had access to the top levels of US politics.

I wondered if this influence was somehow connected to the fact that Lord Rothschild had been a hidden shareholder in Khodorkovsky's company. Arrested oil tycoon passed shares to banker - Washington Times

[rhonda15]

In 2005 the BBC showed an excellent documentary series about Russian oligarchs called "Russian Godfathers". I wasn't surprised by the fact of massive coruption in Russia or the fact these oligarchs were corrupt.

What did surprise me was the close links which existed between these oligarchs and the west. For example the oilgarch Boris Berezovsky was a business partner of GW Bush's brother Neil. More significantly when the oligarch Khodorkovsky(Russia's richest man) was sent to jail, US politicians like Joe Lieberman, John McCain and Tom Lantos launched a frantic anti-Russian campaign, demanding Russia be thrown out of the G8. These oligarchs had access to the top levels of US politics.

I wondered if this influence was somehow connected to the fact that Lord Rothschild had been a hidden shareholder in Khodorkovsky's company. Arrested oil tycoon passed shares to banker - Washington Times

most if not all of the Russian oligarchs were Rothschild frontmen