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    Quote Originally Posted by Breadan O'Connor View Post
    The former head of German military inteligence has revealed that Germany is not really a sovereign country

    YouTube- Germany's sovereignty restricted by US and allies?

    Under a secret agreement in 1949 between the prostrate Germans and the US all german political parties are controlled by the US as is the German military. Also the German gold reserves are held in the US.(Max Keiser has also referred to the German gold being held in the US).

    The Germans had to agree or the state of West Germany would not have been allowed into existence

    Naturally Gerd Helmut Komossa came under heavy criticism and the MSM in Germany prefer not to discuss the issues. The main bookstore chain refuses to stock the book.
    So, AI is aiming at the wrong target then? It's not the nasty Germans he should be foaming at the mouth about but those perfidious Yanks who control all their German puppets' strings!!! LOL ... youse deserve each other.

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    It's not the nasty Germans he should be foaming at the mouth about but those perfidious Yanks who control all their German puppets' strings
    I see you still can't tell truth from propaganda at any time. O'Connor's big steaming pile is the propaganda. I don't cite wackjob YouTube videos, you may have noticed. Sourcing the mainstream media is my forté; must be why everyone finds it so upsetting.

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    Here's a very interesting map, showing the location of German military deployments around the Middle East. Notice the area they surround.


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    Oof. At Davos of all places, the Reichsfreiherr zu Guttenberg took the opportunity to announce Germany's expansion of its miliitary, as an initiative that's endemic to Germany's economy. Where have we seen this before...? Anyone who neglected to consider the big-picture perspective last time, here's your opportunity to give it a try.

    Wall Street Journal
    [size=1]JANUARY 31, 2010, 1:48 P.M. ET[/size]
    [size=4]DAVOS: UPDATE: Germany Govt To Strengthen Military Industry[/size]


    [size=1]By Roman Kessler[/size]

    DAVOS, Switzerland (Dow Jones)—Germany's government launched an initiative to strengthen its military industry during the World Economic Forum this weekend in the latest sign that the country has become emboldened to fight for its international interests. ...

    German defence minister Karl-Theodor Freiherr zu Guttenberg brought up the "necessary interplay of defence policy and Germany's economic interests," at a breakfast meeting with a group of top-managers from utilities, chemical groups and other companies, his spokesman said. ...

    Angela Merkel's new centre-right coalition, which came to power about 100 days ago, is consistently working on the profile of its foreign and defence policy, analysts said.

    "Germany has come a long way since unification toward expeditionary activities including, but not only in, Afghanistan. Think of the Balkans," said Executive Director Jackson Janes of Washington-based think tank American Institute for Contemporary German Studies.

    "But there remains a closed debate about it within certain circles, but not so much at the public level. I think the U.S. would like to see Germany step up its engagements, but also bring Europe along with it," he added.

    In the coalition treaty, parties agreed at the end of October to strive for a permanent seat on the U.N.'s security council that Germany should share with its neighbours "to take over more responsibility."

    But as the U.K. and France are unlikely to give up their veto rights, some say that this would mean establishing a German-dominated seat in which others like Spain, Italy and eastern Europeans would participate. ...

    The deal to develop the (Airbus) A400M transport was clinched in 2003 to enable European military to facilitate deployment in out-of-area missions of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, such as the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan. "That it is why I want the A400M," Bruederle told the group. He added that it was part of a wider push to support German weapons makers. "Germans are still a little bit shy in this domain, but we'll work to change this too," Bruederle said.
    Catch that last bit? About "work(ing) to change" the attitude of Germany's people towards militarisation and war?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al. View Post

    Wall Street JournalCatch that last bit? About "work(ing) to change" the attitude of Germany's people towards militarisation and war?

    Its clear the German people want peace.

    The text you quote shows a US expert saying america wants Germany to "step up its engagements"

    Merkel ,who supported the Iraq war, is going meekly along with the wishes of her US masters.

    The only German leader who upset the US was Schroeder, who was called a prostitute for his friendly atitude to Russia

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    Honestly, people on this island have long memories when it comes to other peoples history and wars which we didn´t engage in. The rest of the world has moved on. The growth and expansion of any industry anywhere in the EU is good for us also and should not be begrudged.
    Would we rather U.S. domination of the defence market with their substandard equipment? U.S. Abrams tanks 60 of which were delivered to Australia in 2006, now only 5 remain operational and cannot be maintained or deployed with service support and programming from the US. Same US control is maintained over F16 international sales.
    And no, Germany is not trying to take over the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al. View Post
    Here's a very interesting map, showing the location of German military deployments around the Middle East. Notice the area they surround.

    What're the numbers of troops stationed in those countries?

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    Sudan - 3 X Embassy staff
    Ethiopia - Ditto
    Eritrea - Medical Mission
    Somalia - 2 Warships to protect international trade (Including to Ireland)
    Yemen -3 X Embassy staff
    Oman - Ditto
    UAE - Ditto
    Afghan ISAF etc etc etc....


    But AI thinks a Major equiped with a laptop, a VW Golf and 2 Clerks in most of these countries is part of an evil plan for German world domination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by absconded View Post
    Sudan - 3 X Embassy staff
    Ethiopia - Ditto
    Eritrea - Medical Mission
    Somalia - 2 Warships to protect international trade (Including to Ireland)
    Yemen -3 X Embassy staff
    Oman - Ditto
    UAE - Ditto
    Afghan ISAF etc etc etc....


    But AI thinks a Major equiped with a laptop, a VW Golf and 2 Clerks in most of these countries is part of an evil plan for German world domination.
    So outside the ISAF and NAVFOR deployments, they'd have trouble putting together the numbers for a platoon? Worrying days indeed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al. View Post
    Rheinmetall also has their eye on Kraus Maffei's Panzer division.

    Does history have to repeat itself so closely to how things unfolded in the past?

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    And what a history!
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow5BbhGd5Mw&feature=related"]YouTube- Yorckscher Marsch[/ame]

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