EU President Announces New Taxes at Bilderberg Meeting

[long-gone-kiwi]

You must have misread my post. I never described myself as being a "helpless little puppet". I never even implied such a thing. But if it's helpless little puppets you want me to talk about, then I will indulge you, just this once. In my opinion, a helpless little puppet is a person who is programmed to automatically dismiss any suggestion that powerful people in politics and business conspire to subjugate the masses and are constantly working to refine their tools of subjugation. A helpless little puppet is trained to meet any such suggestions (no matter how well argued) with derision, using terms such as "Conspiracy theorist","Conspiracy Nut", "Tinfoil Hat" and "Paranoid Drivel". These terms have been given to the helpless little puppets by the puppeteers so that he/she does not even have to think for themselves when being dismissive.

The helpless little puppet chooses to unquestioningly believe the version of reality which is presented to them by the education system and the mainstream media and deliberately chooses not to entertain any other possibilities, regardless of the evidence. A helpless little puppet knows, deep down, that there are very sinister forces on the rise in this world but they lack the requisite testicular endowment to face up to what is happening. The puppeteers know this and they also know the helpless little puppet will chose to bury their head in the sand. So all the puppeteers have to do is provide that sand, which they do, in large quantities. The helpless little puppet will doggedly defend the notion that everything is ok while everything goes to sh1t around them. The helpless little puppet is probably the single most powerful weapon of at the puppeteer's disposal.

The most potent weapon of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed - Steven Biko

Sorry Pill but you did imply that you are a helpless little puppet.."As far as I can see, "governement" and "opposition" are mere fictions to give us mugs the impression that we are empowered and represented and that we have choice."..As for your comments about unquestioning belief in the mainstream media, the post I replied to, and the above, sounds like a conversation in a Dan Brown novel. You assume to know alot about my education and what evidence I may have looked at. Neither you or Prester Jim answered the questions I asked. A sentence like... "coensus" is all about no opposition and no democracy" doesn't make sense and displays a clear misunderstanding of consensus, opposition and democracy and is not, as you put it ,well argued.
Just because a 'think tank' like the bilderburg group meet in secret does not automatically mean they are sinister..that is being paranoid, is it not?. These conspiracy theories have been circulating for CENTURIES eg. the illuminati, and have been debunked as many times as they have been put forward. They are a convenient crutch for people who want to blame some force, over which they have no control, for their own shortcomings and perceived injustices. That is why so many people buy into them.( It is similar to the way religions pray on peoples fear of dying )
Personally I don't see why a single world ideology is such a scary thing for you. It would certainly solve alot of global conflict for a start..wouldn't it? . Having said that though, never forget that just because your paranoid doesn't mean they are not after you!

[Roland The Gunslinger]

Just because a 'think tank' like the bilderburg group meet in secret does not automatically mean they are sinister..that is being paranoid, is it not?. These conspiracy theories have been circulating for CENTURIES eg. the illuminati, and have been debunked as many times as they have been put forward. They are a convenient crutch for people who want to blame some force, over which they have no control, for their own shortcomings and perceived injustices. That is why so many people buy into them.( It is similar to the way religions pray on peoples fear of dying )
Personally I don't see why a single world ideology is such a scary thing for you. It would certainly solve alot of global conflict for a start..wouldn't it? . Having said that though, never forget that just because your paranoid doesn't mean they are not after you!

Do you have anything to back up all this debunking or are you just throwing that out there as your opinion ? Clearly the Illuminati did exist in 1776 set up by Jesuit Adam Weishaupt and although some like to still believe that they exist today, they don't,what does still exist the foundations on which the Illuminati was built.

A one world government will not stop conflicts anymore than the UN do and the fact that we live in a climate of little or no political accountability,you think this will get better once this as been achieved ?

It a very cheap and petty thing to call someone a "paranoid" or a "conspiracy theorist" based solely on ones opinion, I could offer you many sources of information that if read might have an adverse affect to your world view,but alas I know that it would be waste of time because no matter how much evidence or proof I could supply,you would ignore and dismiss simply because it doesn't fit with you think you know.

So unless you can actually back up your claims,you are as much a "conspiracy theorist" as those you accuse of being the same.I am not paranoid nor am I a "conspiracy theorist",I only deal in fact and evidence.

[FutureTaoiseach]

If they have nothing to hide why are journalists harrassed outside Bilderberg meetings?

You know your day's gone badly when it ends with you being shouted at in a Greek police station.It wasn't meant to end this way. I'd gone for a gentle sunset walk, up by the Bilderberg hotel, to relax before the big opening day of the elite globalist shindig, watch Phoebus plunge headlong into the western sea, and (yes) maybe sneak a couple of short-lens pictures of the mounting security.
Opposite the hotel gates I took a casual photo out over the bay, limbering up to swivel round and snap off some naturalistic "armed guard having fag and chatting up policewoman" sort of shots. A plainclothes officer jogged across the road and got in my face.
"No photos."
"Of the sea?"
"Give me your camera."
"I don't understand."
"Passport."
"I've got my Oyster card".
"Passport."
"Driving licence?"
He takes my licence. A group of policemen have sauntered over, and mutter Greekly about the enormous threat to the smooth running of Bilderberg I seem to represent.
"What is this?" asks one of the local militia. He takes my notebook. Opens it at random.
"What are you writing? What here?"
He points to an old 8 Out of 10 Cats joke (well, barely) about what would happen if we had a female Doctor Who. He jabs at it, proof, in black and white, of my status as an agitator. I read it out: "I'm not saying we've already had a female Doctor Who, but Sylvester McCoy put cracks in the glass ceiling."
"Who is this? Syl... Syl..."
"Sylvester McCoy."
"A friend of yours? He is staying here?"
I bite back telling them that Sylvester McCoy is a noted anti-globalist freedom fighter who is here to lead the people's revolt against Bilderberg's liberty-stripping agenda. "It's nothing. Can I have my book back?"
They confer. An imp in my brain tells my hand to reach for my camera and take a photo. Click. Whir. At which point, on a gorgeous May evening on the Athens Riviera, began one of the more stressful hours of my life. Hands went to holsters.
"NO PHOTOS!"
"HE TAKE FOTOGRAFIA!"
"NO FOTOGRAFIA!"
Over came the man with the machine gun. Over came the man with the special mirror-on-a-stick for car bombs. It was the first time in my life, and hopefully the last, that I've been intimidated by a mirror on a stick. They circled round me. One of them, the one in the photo with one hand up and the other on his pistol, kept prodding me in the shoulder, and shouting: "Give the camera! Just give the camera!"
All around me: "Delete! Delete photos!" followed by a lame tug of war for the camera with no great self-belief on either side, which I won. Camera back in pocket.
Then it became: "Get in the car!" Get in the car!" I wasn't about to get in the car. I remember saying: "One of you has a machine gun, you're shouting at me, I don't understand why, I took one photograph, this all seems a bit strange. What's going on here?"
One of the nicer policemen, who looked a bit like the short guy from LA Law, the one married to Jill Eikenberry (note to self, update this reference), took me aside. "Very important people coming. Very important. No photograph. Please get in car, we take details, put in computer, you can go."
I complained, reasonably I think, that they could simply phone my details through to the station, and check that I wasn't wanted on three continents for acts of terror, but they were having none of it. Prod, prod, prod. Eventually I got in the car. I had to.
They drove me to the police station. Other cars followed. At the station, officers gathered from all quarters. They'd sniffed an incident. A dozen of them stood round me. The Greek chorus reached full voice: "Give the camera! Delete photos! You understand?!" I hated my hands for trembling when I wrote down my father's name so they could look me up on "computer". But at least I got a chuckle hearing them try and pronounce Melvyn.
One of the policewomen smiled. "Delete photos and you can go, no trouble." She looked like Christina Aguilera's slightly butch cousin and I fell on her smile with a thirst. Nearly gave her the camera. Understood in a flash the whole good cop, bad cop thing. Kept my camera in my pocket. Smiled back. "I just want you to tell me if I've broken the law, and if so, are you arresting me?" God, I sound like a cliché of a protester. Oh god, I'm a protester. What are my rights here?
"Charge me or release me!" is what I didn't shout. I sat quietly and tried to still my hands in my lap. I smiled at Christina. I was winning.
Suddenly, a "you can go" from the sergeant at the computer. I went. I had my camera. I had my photo. I was free. It was the end of Midnight Express. The Breakfast Club fist in the air. Except that I felt sick and wanted to go to sleep.
I slept. This morning, feeling stronger after a slice of breakfast cake, I think I understand: I was the trouble kicking off. I was the agitation they'd been warned about. Very important people. No mistakes. They were wired, pumped up for confrontation, and my photo had been the spark. It's why they'd blown up in my face. Important people arriving. No fotografia.
And then it struck me: there really ISN'T any fotografia. There's none. Not a single member of the mainstream press. Not a single newshound camera on a tripod. Nothing. Nothing is happening here. Nothing to report.
The limousines have started to arrive. Nothing to report.
They've closed off an entire peninsula. There are ro******************************************s. Machine guns. Nothing to report.
This is Bilderberg's 57th annual meeting. Nothing to report.

[marmurr1916]

Going to "prove" that through statements that don't exist in the Lisbon Treaty, again?

The European Council, headed by the President of the European Council, does not have the power to make EU laws:

The European Council shall provide the Union with the necessary impetus for its development and shall define the general political directions and priorities thereof. It shall not exercise legislative functions.

The 'legislative functions' of the EU are exercised under the 'ordinary legislative procedure' by the Council (of Ministers) and the European Parliament.

There are some instances where a 'special legislative procedure' is used, again by the Council (of Ministers), sometimes with, sometimes without, the involvement of the European Parliament.

The Council (of Ministers) and the European Council (of heads of government) are two different bodies:

The Union's institutions shall be:
— the European Parliament,
— the European Council,
— the Council,
— the European Commission (hereinafter referred to as ‘the Commission’),
— the Court of Justice of the European Union,
— the European Central Bank,
— the Court of Auditors.

2. Each institution shall act within the limits of the powers conferred on it in the Treaties, and in
conformity with the procedures, conditions and objectives set out in them. The institutions shall
practice mutual sincere cooperation.

There is a reduction in national sovereignty more so when the politicians are unelected and unaccountable versus elected and accountable. Claiming the reverse is fallacious, or at least gravely specious.

Not every position needs to be directly elected to be democratic and accountable.

The US Cabinet is not elected, it is appointed by the President, yet it is democratic and accountable.

The president of the European Council is elected by the heads of government of the EU, all elected democratically and accountable to their national parliaments, their electorates and to the courts.

BTW, are our only choices a "federal EU" and an imperial EU? The latter is what we have.No. Look up the definition of "subsidiarity" again. And then look at what the German media said about the decision in Karlsruhe last summer.

Another choice would be to leave the EU:

1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention.

In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the
European Parliament.

3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.

A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.

[long-gone-kiwi]

Do you have anything to back up all this debunking or are you just throwing that out there as your opinion ? Clearly the Illuminati did exist in 1776 set up by Jesuit Adam Weishaupt and although some like to still believe that they exist today, they don't,what does still exist the foundations on which the Illuminati was built.

A one world government will not stop conflicts anymore than the UN do and the fact that we live in a climate of little or no political accountability,you think this will get better once this as been achieved ?

It a very cheap and petty thing to call someone a "paranoid" or a "conspiracy theorist" based solely on ones opinion, I could offer you many sources of information that if read might have an adverse affect to your world view,but alas I know that it would be waste of time because no matter how much evidence or proof I could supply,you would ignore and dismiss simply because it doesn't fit with you think you know.

So unless you can actually back up your claims,you are as much a "conspiracy theorist" as those you accuse of being the same.I am not paranoid nor am I a "conspiracy theorist",I only deal in fact and evidence.

Hold on there Roland and put them back in your holster. I don't have the time or inclination to drag the net looking for links for you.. Wikipedia seems to be an accepted authority on this site so here is a good page for you to read and you can follow the links for yourself:

Conspiracy theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you can't be bothered, and who could blame you, here's a couple of examples for you:

"Conspiracism serves the needs of diverse political and social groups in America and elsewhere. It identifies elites, blames them for economic and social catastrophes, and assumes that things will be better once popular action can remove them from positions of power. As such, conspiracy theories do not typify a particular epoch or ideology"

"But if conspiracies exist, they rarely move history; they make a difference at the margins from time to time, but with the unforeseen consequences of a logic outside the control of their authors: and this is what is wrong with 'conspiracy theory.' History is moved by the broad forces and large structures of human collectivities."

Says it all really. As for the single world govt. argument, as no such body has ever existed your conclusions can only be your opinion, a big no-no apparently. The UN hardly qualifies now does it. I suppose, for the sake of argument, I could mention the Roman empire which controlled the 'known world' at the time and the resulting Pax Romana.
Roland you are the 3rd poster now to have a go and still no-one answers the simple questions I asked in my original reply..wait a minute..3rd poster..i think there is something going on here..of course the evidence is all there!..why didn't I see it!..I'm being oppressed..I must tell the world..I know I'll write a book, might make a few quid..

[long-gone-kiwi]

Thankyou Red Pill ,
Such a vivid and true picture of the true enemy, the fearful, the lazy minded ,and sychophantic,
without whom the tyrants of this world would have no soil in which to grow their plans against good people.
You just know that the evil are truly banal in reality,cowardly too.
And above all they are profoundly ignorant,wilfully so.

Read the reply above to Roland..you should also look at the link..it describes your condition as an illness,

maybe less television for you to..the conspiracy is growing

[The Field Marshal]

Well all you advocates of a Yes vote for Lisbon will now be very pleased to welcome the new EU tax regime .

Its embryonic at the moment but powerful interests are slowly persuading national governments
of the need for these extra taxes.

Below is an alledged quote from the preying Mantis new EU President made at the Bildeburg conference

Mr Van Rompuy added: “The green fiscal instrument is one possibility although an ambiguous one: this type of regulatory tax should eventually become redundant. But the possibility of financial levies at European level needs to be seriously reviewed and for the first time ever, the big countries in the Union are open to this.”

[long-gone-kiwi]

Well all you advocates of a Yes vote for Lisbon will now be very pleased to welcome the new EU tax regime .

Its embryonic at the moment but powerful interests are slowly persuading national governments
of the need for these extra taxes.

Below is an alledged quote from the preying Mantis new EU President made at the Bildeburg conference

Mr Van Rompuy added: “The green fiscal instrument is one possibility although an ambiguous one: this type of regulatory tax should eventually become redundant. But the possibility of financial levies at European level needs to be seriously reviewed and for the first time ever, the big countries in the Union are open to this.”

Sounds positively evil

[harvey]

It's the Satanic element of these Freemasons that I worry most about.

[long-gone-kiwi]

It's the Satanic element of these Freemasons that I worry most about.

I know, was them that organised the moon landing hoax