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Thread: EU President Announces New Taxes at Bilderberg Meeting

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSpurs View Post
    If the chairman of the most important committee in an organisation calls for something i think there is a decent chance its on the agenda. The EU has us by the balls with the ECB loan guarantee so i dont trust clowen to veto it.
    If the Irish government is OK with voting a new tax, then the Irish government is OK with it - that would leave only another 26 governments for van Rompuy to persuade.

    When I see a title that says "new tax announced" I expect to see a new tax announced.
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    if the chairman of microsoft said there should be a new version of windows then there is very strong chance a new version is on the way even if all the stakeholders had to agree to it. HVR doesnt have the power to do it but he surely wouldnt be saying this unless he believed he had a decent chance of successfully pushing this agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibis View Post
    When I see a title that says "new tax announced" I expect to see a new tax announced.
    It has been announced, if it had not we would not be having this debate. It simply has not yet been implemented .
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSpurs View Post
    if the chairman of microsoft said there should be a new version of windows then there is very strong chance a new version is on the way even if all the stakeholders had to agree to it. HVR doesnt have the power to do it but he surely wouldnt be saying this unless he believed he had a decent chance of successfully pushing this agenda.
    The chairman of Microsoft is in charge of Microsoft, and what he says goes unless there's significant internal opposition. Whereas if the chairman of Microsoft said that there would be an all-industry agreement on browser standards he'd just be waving his willy in the air, which is what happens here, because for that he'd really need the agreement of the other industry players, over whom he has no power whatsoever. van Rompuy can say he'd like taxes, or ponies, until he's blue in the face - not even Malta has to listen to him, because he's not in charge of anything.
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    All well and good ibis but HVR is obviously kiteflying here. He isnt saying this willy-nilly he must believe this has a decent chance of succeeding. Being the chairman of the primeministers he does have his finger on the pulse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSpurs View Post
    All well and good ibis but HVR is obviously kiteflying here. He isnt saying this willy-nilly he must believe this has a decent chance of succeeding. Being the chairman of the primeministers he does have his finger on the pulse.
    He does? What happens when the Prime Ministers change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSpurs View Post
    All well and good ibis but HVR is obviously kiteflying here. He isnt saying this willy-nilly he must believe this has a decent chance of succeeding. Being the chairman of the primeministers he does have his finger on the pulse.
    Gosh - that argument might even hold some water if he'd been chairman for a couple of years, rather than not even having started when he said it. No offence, and I'm not arguing that the man doesn't favour additional funding for the EU, but this really is just more bogeyman stuff. Unless the member states all - and I mean all, since it would require unanimity - want to give the EU some more money, then the views of the President of the European Council are entirely irrelevant. There's no greater chance of von Rompuy getting what he wants than there was of Sarkozy getting the various things he wanted when France held the Presidency - and about which many scaaary stories were told and retold here on p.ie and in the UK media.
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    Let's not forget that the Presidency of the EU Council (of Ministers) will continue to rotate among the Member States.

    Spain takes over from Sweden at the start of 2010 for 6 months, followed by Belgium, then Hungary:

    Presidency of the European Union - official logo

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.R. Haldeman View Post
    Haha, I always thought the Bilderberg Group was pure conspiracy theory/David Icke territory...but it turns out they are very real - and out of the closet, sister - as reported on in a matter-of-fact way by the Times of London no less! Wow. As Lily Tomlin once said, no matter how cynical you get it's impossible to keep up. Sadly, in this instance, I can't quite tell if I'm being too cynical or not cynical enough.

    Anyway, I popped onto dear Wiki to find out what's going on and found this...


    Bilderberg Group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Denis Healey? Erm. Denis Healey? Are you havvin a laff? WTF?
    Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands is a lot more significant, BTW who do you think controls wiki?

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