"I am not a woman at your disposal" Campaign gathers pace in Italy.

[He3]

Latest stunt -

Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi says his government's justice reform plan will benefit all Italians but critics say it is just the latest in a string of tailor-made laws to help him avoid corruption trials.

RTÉ News: Critics say reform made to save Berlusconi

[Christine Murray]

You don't seriously expect me to respond to a member whose idea of conservative values is the negation of historical feminism underscored by the Reductio ad Absurdum of applying labels such as 'gynocentrism' Electro ? : No trafficking? Well, there's a hell of a lot of women suffering | Catherine Bennett | Comment is free | The Observer

[Sailor]

Well this is nice to see : Italian women say ciao to the showgirl image - Telegraph

Of course on Politics.ie , theres all types- even those who would deny that sex-trafficking happens and that the
disposal issue does not actually exist; but that is what happens when you deny and cheapen the contribution
of women to our societites: http://www.politics.ie/current-affai...afficking.html


I'd say Michelle Obama started that ball rolling: http://www.politics.ie/foreign-affai...mrs-obama.html


The Campaign started in La Repubblica and has garnered 100,000 signatures, I remember a pal writing me
and saying that the cheapening of politics by Silvio Berlusconi was a feminist issue, that was six months ago.
Italian women are very proud and highly educated- if that is reduced and cheapened to just getting the
Premier horny, well thats a problem. (Though it didn't stop some hussies doing it, nor indeed being paid
to have sex with Silvio, because as we all know Silvio never Paid for sex: Al Jazeera English - Europe - Berlusconi denies paying for sex )

Silvio's Taskforce: Silvio Berlusconi plans taskforce to fight bad press over sex and legal woes | World news | guardian.co.uk

Examiner coverage: Berlusconi sparks rare feminist backlash over ?beauty? remark | Irish Examiner

Dot - I´ve read this thread twice - and admittedly I´m only a stupid white man - but I just cannot figure out what point you´re trying to make. If you are going to start threads it might be a good idea to provide a summary of the thread´s objective rather than just a series of links.

[Christine Murray]

Berlusconi called a woman politician ugly and ltalian women are tired of his conception of politics being about tarts, showgirls and fellatrixes Sailor.

[Sailor]

Berlusconi called a woman politician ugly and ltalian women are tired of his conception of politics being about tarts, showgirls and fellatrixes Sailor.

So - let me get this clear - this whole post has been a protest at Berlusconi calling some woman ugly? Personally I would never call a woman ugly but it´s not a hanging offence - it´s rude and perhaps downright unkind but it can also be true - there are some right ugly women doing the rounds, not to mention ugly men. And how does that lead us on to "tarts, showgirls and fellatrixes"? You´re on a rant Dot - nothing more.

[Sailor]

Hey Dot - why did you give me a pos - a neg I might have understood. Now you have me all confused

[Christine Murray]

hi sailor, yes l did it was a relevant question. I was looking at Starr and Lario earlier and how a hubris comes about and effects the dignity of office. The links are generally there so that literate adults can draw their own conclusions.

[Electro]

Ha! very interesting post. But how do you integrate your sig and your beliefs about feminism to the history of how it was used by the CIA as a counter to class politics ?

It may well have been. Celebrated feminist Gloria Steinem was a CIA girl. Ms. Magazine received seed capital from the CIA.

I'm sure more such connections can be found, illustrating a sympathy for the ideology in the organisation. Why the CIA might have been making such endorsements is of course classified information.

None of that changes the fundamentals of the ideology that I have outlined.

[Electro]

You don't seriously expect me to respond to a member whose idea of conservative values is the negation of historical feminism underscored by the Reductio ad Absurdum of applying labels such as 'gynocentrism' Electro

"Label"? No "label", dot - fact.

Gynocentrism is a fact of political life today. It is also a fact that the feminist analysis on any given issue is gynocentric.

Let me guess, you accept the premise of androcentrism and critiques of it; but you flat out refuse to acknowledge its analogue?

How typical.

[Christine Murray]

Electro l am a feminist thus l look at how women are represented politically, artistically and in the media. l would not call myself gynocentric or agendified at all . Just interested in why some political and religious systems negate the role of women through brutality or violence. (esp conservative and theocratic regimes)