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    Re: Is the EU threatening Christian values?

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    Is the EU threatening Christian values? Hopefully
    Why? The basic Christian value is "be nice to people", why would you want that ideal gone?
    It's supposed to be

    Although what Christain values really means in today's world is backwardness
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    Re: Is the EU threatening Christian values?

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    If I started posting a new thread everytime I thought of something good the EU, would that be considered spamming?

    It's a topic that appears not to have been discussed before. He's referenced an IT article. It's not spam.
    He should have provided a link. Plus he doesnt even mention what is written in it. Plus similar topics have been made.
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    Re: Is the EU threatening Christian values?

    Quote Originally Posted by myksav
    Quote Originally Posted by Harpo
    Is the EU threatening Christian values? Hopefully
    Why? The basic Christian value is "be nice to people", why would you want that ideal gone?
    Christians hardly have a monopoly on that idea.
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    Re: Is the EU threatening Christian values?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tmesis
    In the end, you get to choose your government according to the vote, and you get to choose EU representatives by voting as well. If you want your values reflected by government vote for people who reflect those values. If enough people vote the same way then your government will reflect your views. If they don't, they won't. Beyond that I can't see what your problem is.

    The EU parliament condemned Lithuanians right to control is abortion laws. They also use foreign aid to force abortions on other nations. Example, Nicaragua.
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    Re: Is the EU threatening Christian values?

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    Read an excellent piece in todays IT. Ronan Mullen criticises recent activities by the EU on this front while brigid laffan waffles on about the EU's noble mission post WW2 and quotes a few aspiration article from treaties. It seems traditionalists have some thing to complain about after all.
    I have to agree that the "no" argument from Laffan wasn't strong enough. However, did you notice that Mullen immediately slightly redefined the question for himself somewhat at the beginning of the article? Instead of arguing whether the EU was threatening your personal Christian values he argued that a Christian's right to have his or values reflected in government was being threatened by the EU.
    This is a trick that Mullen uses on more than one occassion. For instance, I heard him in a radio interview discussing Civil Unions (for gay or lesbian people). He didn't say "I am opposed to that" but rather "Why should just this category (of people) get Civil Unions?", "Why not aged bacheleor or spinsters living together?" and "Why not groups of college students (or something equivalent)"? - The real intention, of course, was to have the debate on Civil Unions go off on a tangent and get it bogged down in people arguing about whether it was fair or unfair for it to apply to various categories of people, thus derailing the proposal.

    Likewise, his goal in the article is to create doubt and confusion. He contrasts, for example, an "ideology of equality" V's an "authentic notion of ideology" - all very good, but it is just an nice way of saying the only form of equality is he interested in is the one that is his own personal preference. One that he is unable to secure majority support for, and instead he resorts to blocking others from advancing any other alternative.
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    Re: Is the EU threatening Christian values?

    Quote Originally Posted by seabhcan
    Quote Originally Posted by myksav
    Quote Originally Posted by Harpo
    Is the EU threatening Christian values? Hopefully
    Why? The basic Christian value is "be nice to people", why would you want that ideal gone?
    Christians hardly have a monopoly on that idea.
    ?
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    Re: Is the EU threatening Christian values?

    Surely the EU's origins lie partly in Catholic social teaching? Weren't Jean Monnet and Robert Schuman both Catholics, Schuman especially?

    That's what this article says anyway:

    http://guardduty.wordpress.com/2007/...modern-europe/

    The EU might not be supportive of Rónán Mullen's particular brand of conservative Catholicism but that doesn't mean it no longer reflects the Christian Democratic values on which it was founded.
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    Re: Is the EU threatening Christian values?

    Quote Originally Posted by eurosceptic
    Read an excellent piece in todays IT. Ronan Mullen criticises recent activities by the EU on this front while brigid laffan waffles on about the EU's noble mission post WW2 and quotes a few aspiration article from treaties. It seems traditionalists have some thing to complain about after all.
    Why do you think I love it so so SO much?
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    Re: Is the EU threatening Christian values?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seabhcan
    Quote Originally Posted by myksav
    Quote Originally Posted by Harpo
    Is the EU threatening Christian values? Hopefully
    Why? The basic Christian value is "be nice to people", why would you want that ideal gone?
    Christians hardly have a monopoly on that idea.
    ?
    Well you seem to imply that doing away with Christianity would also take with it the value of "be nice to people" which is a load of drivel.

    So Buddhists aren't nice to each other? Atheists aren't nice to each other?

    Shane.
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    Re: Is the EU threatening Christian values?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harpo
    Quote Originally Posted by myksav
    Quote Originally Posted by Harpo
    Is the EU threatening Christian values? Hopefully
    Why? The basic Christian value is "be nice to people", why would you want that ideal gone?
    It's supposed to be

    Although what Christain values really means in today's world is backwardness
    I think its alot more than that. Progressive Christian culture, as opposed to traditionalist evangelical ones, has contributed greatly to the shape of modern Europe. Especially with regards to the devlopement of tolerance and diversity. This is a shoddy attempt to usurp credit for that by those who have contributed nothing themselves other than bureaucracy.
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