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    March to federal Europe / EU. How do we Irish feel about this? What do PIE folk think about this?

    Jean-Claude Juncker's federalist vision for the EU is far from reality

    JUNCKER:

    “The wind is back in Europe’s sails,” he declared. And it appears the EU is sailing in a more federalist direction.
    Im focusing this thread specifically on FEDERAL EUROPE rather than the wider state of union speech by Juncker today.

    So straight and simple .. I am trying to gauge what folk here think of a Federal Europe and Irelands place in same?

    Is Federalism a step too far and should we be out of it? OR should we embrace it fully?

    In fact .. via treaties are we already signed up to this and in it for the long haul whether we like it or not? And if this is the case do many Irish folk realise this?

    Is EU federalism just a dream in reality that will be pushed back against by many other EU countries?

    The future of the eurozone will also be decided by France and Germany. Their positions remain at odds, with France’s Emmanuel Macron looking for more ambitious ways to share debt. Meanwhile, Ireland is likely to resist any attempt to deny it powers to veto EU tax policy.

    Sovereignty-minded countries are not going to keep quiet just because the UK has gone.
    Fine Gael MEP says Ireland needs to re-examine its neutrality ahead of Brexit

    IRELAND NEEDS TO re-examine its neutral status as Britain moves closer to leaving the European Union (EU), Fine Gael MEP Brian Hayes has said.
    "The threats now aren’t threats of armies or tanks rolling into one country. The threats now are cybersecurity, jihadist terrorism."

    "They’re the new threats and I think the discussion on the future of Europe at home and here allows us an opportunity to look again at our defence commitments, to look again at our security and to look at how we can … be a more effective and a more integrated tool of policy within the European Union."

    “We helped build this thing called Europe. We’re one of the oldest, most grown up, wealthiest members of this club. We’ve got to defend it too in my view and I think we need to look at this policy, especially now that Britain are leaving the European Union,” Hayes stated.
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    We should play no part in Juncker's federal EU wet dream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by razorblade View Post
    We should play no part in Juncker's federal EU wet dream.
    But have we, as a state already signed up to this via treaties like Lisbon??
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    Robut - can you offer suggestions/outlines formforms of federation and request a poll?

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadlock View Post
    Robut - can you offer suggestions/outlines formforms of federation and request a poll?

    Thanks
    My understanding is a drive toward a UNITED STATES of EUROPE? Eventually close to the USA type union? Centralised governance in Brussels while local govs are more like county councils?

    Re - a poll. Good idea .. I would ask you all whats the best Q to ask about this?
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    Junckers dream will lead to the break up of the EU.

    The Eurocrats need to wake up see what's happening and how folks feel, apply the brakes and then back up to what the EU was a community for the economic well being of ALL nations and not a political union with a federal army.

    Juncker and his ilk will kill the EU.
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    France's Macron to Present Euro Zone Reform Proposals on Sept 26

    Macron wants a major leap forward in European cooperation. He has called for a euro zone finance minister and a euro zone parliament that would supervise a standalone budget for the bloc.
    However .. resistance from Berlin on some of this ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by robut View Post
    But have we, as a state already signed up to this via treaties like Lisbon??
    It doesnt matter this madness needs to be stopped in its tracks this isnt what we signed up for 44 years ago.
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    I think Junker is the best present those opposed to federalisation could ever have hoped for ......

    Mans a drunken meglomaniac gobsh1te who keeps letting the federal cat out of the bag landing his establishment lackies in trouble and increasing EU hostility


    Its no suprise Brexit happened on his watch , and he will contiunue to do untold , possibly irreparable damage to the reputation of the EU

    Love im
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    There's asking what ordinary actual Irish living working citizens think...and then there's the swivel-eyed opinions of the lonely bitter anti-social losers fulminating agin the universe from Mammy's basement, now that Granny has gone to meet Dev and McQuaid in the sky.

    If yer looking for sane, representative opinions in today's Ireland, p.ie is most definitely not the place
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