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    British Crminals to be prevented from travel to EU post Brexit

    The Schengen area is bringing in a 'pre-clearance' system in 2020. All non-EU citizens will need to apply and pay for a visa to travel to the Schengen EU states.

    https://www.express.co.uk/travel/art...-travel-EU/amp

    Its modeled on the US and Australian systems.

    "One of the questions is: "Have you ever been arrested or convicted for a crime that resulted in serious damage to property, or serious harm to another person or government authority?"

    Even if you had a criminal conviction from years before, you could easily be denied entry into the country.

    Certain health conditions might also prevent you from entering Europe post-Brexit, based on similar schemes around the world. You will likely have to provide information on your state of health, particularly infectious diseases. "

    As Ireland is currently outside Schengen, British criminals will continue to be allowed to come here. However, should there be a hard border and a hard brexit, its probable that Ireland will join Schengen. At that point, for example, people in Northern Ireland who were convicted of terrorism offenses years ago will be prevented from travel to the south, unless they hold Irish citizenship. It will be a dilemma for may unionists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gleeful View Post
    The Schengen area is bringing in a 'pre-clearance' system in 2020. All non-EU citizens will need to apply and pay for a visa to travel to the Schengen EU states.

    https://www.express.co.uk/travel/art...-travel-EU/amp

    Its modeled on the US and Australian systems.

    "One of the questions is: "Have you ever been arrested or convicted for a crime that resulted in serious damage to property, or serious harm to another person or government authority?"

    Even if you had a criminal conviction from years before, you could easily be denied entry into the country.

    Certain health conditions might also prevent you from entering Europe post-Brexit, based on similar schemes around the world. You will likely have to provide information on your state of health, particularly infectious diseases. "

    As Ireland is currently outside Schengen, British criminals will continue to be allowed to come here. However, should there be a hard border and a hard brexit, its probable that Ireland will join Schengen. At that point, for example, people in Northern Ireland who were convicted of terrorism offenses years ago will be prevented from travel to the south, unless they hold Irish citizenship. It will be a dilemma for may unionists.
    You mean that we will be tragically bereft of the cheery company of Northern Loyalist thugs?

    Talk about the Law of Unintended Consequences..
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    That is excellent news, apparently a lot of sex offenders travel here from the UK as they aren't on the list here. I would prefer if there was a more widespread solution to this, Larry Murphy could be up to fup knows what in Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gleeful View Post
    The Schengen area is bringing in a 'pre-clearance' system in 2020. All non-EU citizens will need to apply and pay for a visa to travel to the Schengen EU states...

    As Ireland is currently outside Schengen, British criminals will continue to be allowed to come here. However, should there be a hard border and a hard brexit, its probable that Ireland will join Schengen. At that point, for example, people in Northern Ireland who were convicted of terrorism offenses years ago will be prevented from travel to the south, unless they hold Irish citizenship. It will be a dilemma for may unionists.
    Er, this is just standard practice almost everywhere in the world, and will I imagine work both ways - I don't understand why this is supposed to be a significant development?

    Is there something else to this or is it just a slow news day in Gleefuls world?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rainmaker View Post
    Er, this is just standard practice almost everywhere in the world, and will I imagine work both ways - I don't understand why this is supposed to be a significant development?

    Is there something else to this or is it just a slow news day in Gleefuls world?
    I seem to remember the Brexiteers telling us pre-referendum that there would no change in the rights of UK people to go on holiday in Europe....
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    It seems very subjective to me. It doesn't say have you been convicted of a crime but asks the following:

    "One of the questions is: "Have you ever been arrested or convicted for a crime that resulted in serious damage to property, or serious harm to another person or government authority?"

    Easy to just write no anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gleeful View Post
    Even if you had a criminal conviction from years before, you could easily be denied entry into the country.
    This is already the case in the EU. The right to travel is not absolute, and those with convictions that countries feel represent a threat can be prevented from moving.

    This was clarified back in 2004.

    Subject to the provisions of this Chapter, Member States
    may restrict the freedom of movement and residence of Union
    citizens and their family members, irrespective of nationality,
    on grounds of public policy, public security or public health.
    These grounds shall not be invoked to serve economic ends.

    29.6.2004 EN Official Journal of the European Union L 229/45
    2. Measures taken on grounds of public policy or public
    security shall comply with the principle of proportionality and
    shall be based exclusively on the personal conduct of the individual
    concerned. Previous criminal convictions shall not in
    themselves constitute grounds for taking such measures.
    The personal conduct of the individual concerned must represent
    a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat affecting
    one of the fundamental interests of society. Justifications that
    are isolated from the particulars of the case or that rely on
    considerations of general prevention shall not be accepted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    This is already the case in the EU. The right to travel is not absolute, and those with convictions that countries feel represent a threat can be prevented from moving.

    This was clarified back in 2004.
    There's near zero enforcement though. And certainly not pre-clearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vega1447 View Post
    You mean that we will be tragically bereft of the cheery company of Northern Loyalist thugs?

    Talk about the Law of Unintended Consequences..
    We aren't in Schengen, so no.
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    The judges in Eastern Europe used to tell many on trial you go to jail or Ireland or the UK.

    I guess more of them will be coming here.
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