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    Hans Von Horn Hans Von Horn is offline
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    An Irexit: the opportunities for Ireland outside the EU.

    Ireland should signal to the World that it ill follow the UK if it leaves the EU. We can use the opportunity at th every least to negotiate a better deal on Debt, on Fishing, on Taxation, on Immigration, and on our Energy Policy.

    Ireland needs free trade with China, Japan, India and the USA, and is prevented from having free trade through EU membership.

    The EU accounted for €5,151 million or 53 percent of total goods exports of which €1,496 million went to Belgium and €1,153 million to Great Britain. The US was the main non-EU destination accounting for €2,329 million or 24 percent of total exports.

    If Britain leaves the EU most of our trade would lie outside the EU and this is the market set to grow most.
    Leaving the EU would restore our Democracy, as a fundamental principle of democracy is that one government and Parliament cannot bind another. Greek voters learned they can no longer change economic policy, however bad the existing one may be.

    The argument of Pooled Sovereignty making us stronger is nonsense as our politicians are in denial about how much power we have thrown away.

    The Irish voice at the table of 28 is not heard or heeded. The EU is not a mutual benefit Trade Club. It is on a reckless ride to Political Union, based on Socialism and Stagnation.

    The Single European Currency has been a disaster, and has been at the root of Ireland’s economic collapse of 2008. Being in the EU exposes us to the political tension in Eastern Europe and to the risk of energy security arising from withdrawal of access to Russian Gas.

    The EU has no intention of allowing us to set our own tax rates as evidenced by the Google Tax debacle.
    Irish Farmers and Fishermen would be much better off outside the EU.
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    Horse. Stable door. Bolted.
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    I would much prefer if we just kicked Germany out of the EU and started again ?

    Power corrupts and it shows, time and time again,,
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    The EU was not the reason for the Irish economic catastrophe - that was entirely a home-grown affair.

    If the UK, a huge country with over 60 million people, the only world city in the EU, the largest financial centre in the EU, and a long-standing net contributor to EU coffers, can't negotiate more than what was today described as "thin gruel watered down", what hope do you really think Ireland has to negotiate anything of substance?

    The bluff would be called immediately. After the Nice 2 and Lisbon 2 referendums, it has been proved beyond any doubt that the Irish people will never be other than good compliant little boys and girls.

    Having voted for the stupidity of the single currency (which was supported by many more people than admit it now), Ireland is on a one-way track to ever closer union. Britain is not. Partition has never been more partitionier. It's far too late to be acting all hard now - the chance to do that came and went a long time ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toxic avenger View Post
    The EU was not the reason for the Irish economic catastrophe - that was entirely a home-grown affair.

    If the UK, a huge country with over 60 million people, the only world city in the EU, the largest financial centre in the EU, and a long-standing net contributor to EU coffers, can't negotiate more than what was today described as "thin gruel watered down", what hope do you really think Ireland has to negotiate anything of substance?

    The bluff would be called immediately. After the Nice 2 and Lisbon 2 referendums, it has been proved beyond any doubt that the Irish people will never be other than good compliant little boys and girls.

    Having voted for the stupidity of the single currency (which was supported by many more people than admit it now), Ireland is on a one-way track to ever closer union. Britain is not. Partition has never been more partitionier. It's far too late to be acting all hard now - the chance to do that came and went a long time ago.
    The low interest currency without the facility of inflation of debt made it a lot more painful.
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    Well we would free ourselves from a load of BS concerning duch trivial banslities as what constitutes a cabbage and what deals we can do with countries like India and Canada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans Von Horn View Post
    The low interest currency without the facility of inflation of debt made it a lot more painful.
    Wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference if interest rates had been under Irish control - the then government used what levers it did still control to accelerate towards the cliff, not to pull the brakes. They were procyclical maniacs.

    And anyway - even if you were correct, whose fault is it? I remember being in Ireland in the 1990s telling people that if they brought in the single currency then they would be hitched to a one-size-fits-all monetary policy where interest rate decisions would never be made with Ireland in mind. I asked people how they thought the ECB would reconcile the conflicting interest rate needs of the likes of Ireland and the likes of Germany. They looked at me as if I was some sort of mental case. "Ah but we'll be able to go to Spain and not have to change our money!" was a stock reply, at a time when everyone was mindlessly telling me that being "European" represented "modernity" and that everything EU was inherently great. And now, of course, the same people all deny they ever said those things. You made your beds...
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    Great, we could go back to being the wealthy, modern and open nation that we were before we joined the EU.

    No-one gave a damn about "fish" back when we weren't in the EU, so why some people seem obsessed by it now is a mystery. The thousands of people working in the IFSC or Google/Dell etc do not want to become fishermen when their jobs disappear.
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    Think it would be better to focus on non European migration - nothing wrong with European migrants but Africans, Arabs etc. should be stopped.
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