Wind farm effectiveness

[joel]

Global climate wise that might be the case, but we aren't talking about the climate except on a very localised level, for Ireland. Making specific predictions for such a tiny area on a long time scale is all but impossible.

They've done it with Britain. It will be similar.

[Seos]

Seos

Will you take some advice from a snake oil salesman who has slithered around the block a few times, Don't be defensive about your viewpoint, rather luxuriate in the fact that while fossil plants will be paying through the nose for their fuels as time goes on, renewables get theirs for free, and are limitless, and also have the advantage that as more renewables are added to the grid, Ireland gains more independence.

Thank you, but I've been using forums for way to long. Very frequently people will dismiss a source completely because it's biased and because it's easier to dismiss it then deal with what it says, I guess the same is true everywhere else too. I was pointing out that my source was biased first so it would be harder to do that. It has Airtricity in the url so pretending it's not biased is not an option. However just because something is biased doesn't mean the content isn't true.

Besides if we're both using different tactics it means between us we'll convince more people.

[eyeSpy]

The right way to do things is not to try to persuade people you’re right but to challenge them to think it through for themselves. - Chomsky

Easier quoted than done.

[fiannafailure]

Thank you, but I've been using forums for way to long. Very frequently people will dismiss a source completely because it's biased and because it's easier to dismiss it then deal with what it says, I guess the same is true everywhere else too. I was pointing out that my source was biased first so it would be harder to do that. It has Airtricity in the url so pretending it's not biased is not an option. However just because something is biased doesn't mean the content isn't true.

Besides if we're both using different tactics it means between us we'll convince more people.

Seos,
You are correct but so am I, in the sense that Moneypoint cost 700 pounds in the eighties and has a max output of 900 odd MW, adjust for inflation and
the euro, and there is no difference in build cost per MW to a modern wind turbine, and no CO2 or sulphides or any of those nasties, defensive!! lets go on the offensive.

Eyespy
I am in the west this weekend looking at some windfarms, and a wily old operator has echoed your sentiment, he said, when you are talking to the authorities, you must frame your question in such a way, that THEY come up with your brialliant idea. "west of Ireland farmer" obviously read Chomsky.

[mollox]

What many people fail to grasp is the importance of wind-farms as symbolic of our national commitment to saving polar bears and freeing Willie.
Even if wind-farms are economically non-viable.

If they don’t produce enough power, Energy Minister Ryan will doubtless be on hand to announce a new joint venture with Specsavers to provide a free pair of higher power spectacles for when your home lighting is operating on lower power. From his experience in the cycling business, Eamon can also recommend putting sheets of newspaper inside your clothing to provide personal insulation – especially when descending a steep staircase.

Environment Minister Gormley will chip in with a “Busy Bee” scheme to subsidise bee-keeping, thus providing a ready source of wax. Yes, you’ve guessed it – environmentally-friendly candles from bees-wax for when the wind isn’t blowing at all. The honey can substitute for sugar imports, an added green since we’ve closed down our own sugar industry.

Food Minister Sargent will show us how to grow vegetables that can be eaten raw, as there will be frequent occasions when there’s insufficient power to turn on your cooker.
Now I know you’re thinking that lettuce and tomatoes etc are very seasonal, but have you ever tried raw carrot or turnip? Deliciously crunchy and tasty!
And the inner, lighter-green leaves of cabbage make an excellent winter salad green. Hams can be successfully cured in your poorly insulated attic during the summer months (it also keeps the blue-bottles out of the kitchen), while mackerel and other fish can be salted and kept in a barrel in your garage (you won’t need it for a car in the near future). Your chickens can be fed on scraps and will keep you in soufflés and coq au vin (Trevor recommends Buckfast to give it that extra kick).

[fiannafailure]

What many people fail to grasp is the importance of wind-farms as symbolic of our national commitment to saving polar bears and freeing Willie.
Even if wind-farms are economically non-viable.

If they don’t produce enough power, Energy Minister Ryan will doubtless be on hand to announce a new joint venture with Specsavers to provide a free pair of higher power spectacles for when your home lighting is operating on lower power. From his experience in the cycling business, Eamon can also recommend putting sheets of newspaper inside your clothing to provide personal insulation – especially when descending a steep staircase.

Environment Minister Gormley will chip in with a “Busy Bee” scheme to subsidise bee-keeping, thus providing a ready source of wax. Yes, you’ve guessed it – environmentally-friendly candles from bees-wax for when the wind isn’t blowing at all. The honey can substitute for sugar imports, an added green since we’ve closed down our own sugar industry.

Food Minister Sargent will show us how to grow vegetables that can be eaten raw, as there will be frequent occasions when there’s insufficient power to turn on your cooker.
Now I know you’re thinking that lettuce and tomatoes etc are very seasonal, but have you ever tried raw carrot or turnip? Deliciously crunchy and tasty!
And the inner, lighter-green leaves of cabbage make an excellent winter salad green. Hams can be successfully cured in your poorly insulated attic during the summer months (it also keeps the blue-bottles out of the kitchen), while mackerel and other fish can be salted and kept in a barrel in your garage (you won’t need it for a car in the near future). Your chickens can be fed on scraps and will keep you in soufflés and coq au vin (Trevor recommends Buckfast to give it that extra kick).

As far as I am concerned, the symbolism outlined above is symtomatic of a good night on arthurs finest parhaps spiced with a pinch of afghanistans purest.

[Dios]

They've done it with Britain. It will be similar.

Can you link me to that report?

[joel]

Can you link me to that report?

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