regardless of your political or personal beliefs, the planet is warming and we are responsible, and if we don't do something about it, we will suffer terribly.Originally Posted by EarlyBird
But people like you are much more worried about 'al keeda and them terrists'
Actual morality is doing what is right regardless of what you're told. Religious morality is doing what you're told, regardless of if it's right.
I'm beginning to believe that global warming is a big crock of excrement. One thing all of the talk of climate change has gotten us with is more and more taxes, many of them ingenious in the way they are hitting us. Are any of these so called carbon or consumption taxes going into protecting the enviornment or are they going towards bombing Afgan kids, bailing out crooked bankers and tightening the grip on the proletariate.
The proverbial NAIL ON THE HEAD.....
Wherever they will be spent, get ready for more. I can never get my head around the fact that car tax is not spent on the roads or the health levy is not spent on health or......
Regards, Pat Gill
you equate carbon emissions with pollution, oh dear
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You have just been handed a large scotch. Barbarian that you are you throw in a couple of ice cubes. Guess what? The scotch starts to cool. But when the ice melts the scotch will start to warm up again. Look at those satellite photographs. The ice is melting, cheers!
Welcome to the greenhouse.
1. There's already a thread on this.
2. Here's a cross-post (sorry) dealing with the rebuttal to the "global cooling" meme, which appears to be more crappy media "science" reporting.
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RealClimate: A warming pause?
The blogosphere (and not only that) has been full of the “global warming is taking a break” meme lately. Although we have discussed this topic repeatedly, it is perhaps worthwhile reiterating two key points about the alleged pause here.
(1) This discussion focuses on just a short time period – starting 1998 or later – covering at most 11 years. Even under conditions of anthropogenic global warming (which would contribute a temperature rise of about 0.2 ēC over this period) a flat period or even cooling trend over such a short time span is nothing special and has happened repeatedly before (see 1987-1996). That simply is due to the fact that short-term natural variability has a similar magnitude (i.e. ~0.2 ēC) and can thus compensate for the anthropogenic effects. Of course, the warming trend keeps going up whilst natural variability just oscillates irregularly up and down, so over longer periods the warming trend wins and natural variability cancels out.
(2) It is highly questionable whether this “pause” is even real. It does show up to some extent (no cooling, but reduced 10-year warming trend) in the Hadley Center data, but it does not show in the GISS data, see Figure 1. There, the past ten 10-year trends (i.e. 1990-1999, 1991-2000 and so on) have all been between 0.17 and 0.34 ēC per decade, close to or above the expected anthropogenic trend, with the most recent one (1999-2008) equal to 0.19 ēC per decade – just as predicted by IPCC as response to anthropogenic forcing.
One peculiar feature of AGW skeptics is their refusal to accept any data in favour of AGW - regarding it as unreliable, yet they'll clutch on any data which denies AGW, which, by some mysterious alchemy, becomes gold.It is noteworthy in this context that despite the record low in the brightness of the sun over the past three years (it’s been at its faintest since beginning of satellite measurements in the 1970s), a number of warming records have been broken during this time. March 2008 saw the warmest global land temperature of any March ever recorded in the past 130 years. June and August 2009 saw the warmest land and ocean temperatures in the Southern Hemisphere ever recorded for those months. The global ocean surface temperatures in 2009 broke all previous records for three consecutive months: June, July and August. The years 2007, 2008 and 2009 had the lowest summer Arctic sea ice cover ever recorded, and in 2008 for the first time in living memory the Northwest Passage and the Northeast Passage were simultaneously ice-free. This feat was repeated in 2009. Every single year of this century (2001-2008) has been warmer than all years of the 20th Century except 1998 (which sticks out well above the trend line due to a strong El Niņo event).
The bottom line is: the observed warming over the last decade is 100% consistent with the expected anthropogenic warming trend of 0.2 ēC per decade, superimposed with short-term natural variability. It is no different in this respect from the two decades before. And with an El Niņo developing in the Pacific right now, we wouldn’t be surprised if more temperature records were to be broken over the coming year or so.
Funny, really.
ssssshhhhhhhhh dont wake geckko up, he is hibernating with the polar bears
Regards, Pat Gill
http://www.catlinarcticsurvey.com/latestfromtheice
Arctic will be largely Ice free during summer within a decade.
The survey conducted during winter 2008 and spring 2009 uggested that most of the ice in the surveyed area was fresh, first year Ice. The average thickness of the ice was just 1.8 metres, a depth that is very vunerable to summer ice melts.
This contradicts the denialist propaganda that there is no warming or that the world is actually cooling, but what would the Catlin arctic survey know about these things, they're only scientists who go out and actually measure these things, and not armchair geniuses who get their information from looking out their window or listening to alex jones.
Actual morality is doing what is right regardless of what you're told. Religious morality is doing what you're told, regardless of if it's right.
i'm not sure anybody takes alex jones's own word on climate change. but, he does interview climatoligists who all have come to the conclusion that the man made global warming alarmism is a hoax. so, just as you sit there on your armchair reading climate reports, others sit on theirs listening to climate reports.
some food for thought:
World's climate could cool first, warm later - environment - 04 September 2009 - New Scientist
BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | What happened to global warming?
.: U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works :: Minority Page :.
http://www.nothingtodowithco2.com/im...t_2009_cpr.jpg
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