Paul Williams - Shell to Sea TV3 Docu. - Pre-Election Special ?

[soubresauts]

Here's a news report that makes you think again about Shell to Sea:
Sunday Times: Shell's floating LNG plant

The company approved a plan to build a fleet of floating natural gas plants. Each will be twice the length of a Royal Navy aircraft carrier and weigh 200,000 tons. They will sail to gas fields located either so far out to sea or in such environmentally sensitive areas that the pipelines and surface infrastructure required make them unviable. Until recently, the idea was dismissed.

[stewiegriffin]

Here's a news report that makes you think again about Shell to Sea:
Sunday Times: Shell's floating LNG plant

Why should I think again . RTE have informed me that this is merely a minor local dispute . Why would the state broadcaster not give me the whole story?

[Schuhart]

Here's a news report that makes you think again about Shell to Sea:
Sunday Times: Shell's floating LNG plant

Indeed it does.

A month ago, Iraq auctioned rights to develop six huge oil fields and two gas fields. It was the first time in three decades that the owner of the world’s third-largest reserves had invited foreign companies into the industry. More than 30 companies expressed an interest but in the end only one bidding group, BP and China National Petroleum, won a concession on one field. The others baulked at the harsh terms.

[Left sceptical]

Why should I think again . RTE have informed me that this is merely a minor local dispute . Why would the state broadcaster not give me the whole story?

I hope thats sarcasm; otherwise its the stupidest thing i've read in quite a while.

[Left sceptical]

Schuhart,

You hardly expected agreement to be reached on all the fields did you? Keeping in mind that the US only recently decided to pullback from Iraqi towns and cities, and there is still a lot of violence and unrest within the country.. don't you think its fair to say there were other factors involved in the decision?!

The British Petroleum/China National Petroleum contract is for the largest of Iraq's six oil fields on offer to foreign and state-owned companies.
This happened in spite of the "harsh terms", so it is reasonable to believe energy giants don't have to be awarded extraordinarly favourable terms.

[Ecoguy]

Shu postings on this subject are becoming increasingly troll - like and repetitive. I think we may be dealing with Shell PR here

[Schuhart]

Schuhart,

You hardly expected agreement to be reached on all the fields did you?

Frankly, I wasn't following it that closely.

I'm just taking another quote from that very same article, to give people a hint that they might want to read it in full.

Shu postings on this subject are becoming increasingly troll - like and repetitive. I think we may be dealing with Shell PR here

Well, I'm happy to repeat points that haven't been answered. I'm also delighted to see you retreat into fantasy as a result.

[Ecoguy]

Frankly, I wasn't following it that closely.

I'm just taking another quote from that very same article, to give people a hint that they might want to read it in full.Well, I'm happy to repeat points that haven't been answered. I'm also delighted to see you retreat into fantasy as a result.

You've failed miserably to justify any of your guff on here and play the usual troll game of ignoring anything that doesn't fit in with your usual blather on the subject!!

[truthisfree]

To be clear, as I've set out above, it is not being claimed by lots of different groups that Tutu called for an inquiry. Its being claimed by Mayo News, with Miriam Cotton seeming to pick up and add to that claim. Tutu#s full statement (which is reproduced by lots of different groups) doesn't actually contain the words attributed by Mayo News.

The significance of this is that Miriam Cotton uses the fact that this claim of a call for an enquiry has not been repeated in other papers is evidence of media bias. Yet, this claim does not have a clear source.

I may try emailing Tutu's office, and hopefully I'll get more of a response than I did when I contacted the Goldman Foundation about the inaccurate information about Rossport on their website.I've invested €3.95, and I'm underwhelmed. There's an interview with the guy who's boat sank, a story about the planning inquiry and a slightly confused piece by Miriam Cotton calling for the media to concentrate on reporting the facts. Physician heal thyself.

To pick one non-sequitor (bearing in mind I know nothing about this issue apart from the threads I've imbroiled myself in here) she says, on the one hand, that Shell were afraid that the Rossport fisherman who's boat sank would win some court case about his right to fish, and this would put the kibbosh on their pipelaying. She then tries to run this into why they sank his boat - as if sinking his boat would end the court action.

I swear, if you think about the Shell to Sea propaganda for more than two minutes it starts to fall apart. The survival of this campaign is a tribute to the inability of Irish public debate to embrace reality.

Really excellent post, I have been reading every thread on the internet about this dispute since it started and you have hit the nail directly on the head. This is the first comment I have made o it as I am completely impartial to the scenario and you have summed up what my conclusions exactly.

Finna Fail/Corrib/Shinners/hippies/Gaurds/Williams/locals what a cocktail of self interested and biased groups.

Corrib have done a deal, a whole lot better than the one done with the church/Ryan report and It should be possible to maybe, just maybe to go back to Corrib in 3-5 yrs and re-negotiate something better out of them.

We should watch that the profits are taxed fairly and that we are not screwed, and maybe it is about time the protestors went home and took a look at what is coming up next rather than crying over spilt milk.

The Garda are quite happy to keep it going up there, lots of houses bought from this particular expense trip.

We have a tough climb ahead of us and this is a bloody waste of energy.

Thank you very much for that post. Now I know exactly how I feel and why I spend so much time reading through facts and misinformation.

[cactusflower]

Ive only read this page. It wouldn't matter if Miriam Cotton said that Shell had disovered a treacle well under the runway at Knock Airport: its one newspaper article ffs.

I've debated with anti-Shell people too about the uneven quality of information coming out from the campaigns. For example, they failed to produce photographs of Willie Corduff's bruises when he was perfectly willing to provide same. This left a huge cloud over the campaign for a critical few weeks.

Really, if Schuhart is pro-Shell, he shouldn't worry about the PR coming from the anti-Shell groups. Its to be frank a disaster.