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    Global warming "deniers" are now the majority. Latest Rasmussen poll

    Al Gore's Endgame: "Deniers" are now the majority

    The global warming "deniers" and "skeptics" are now the majority. The public is waking up!

    Only 34% still believe the myth that "humans cause global warming." The Easter Bunny will soon be polling higher.

    SEE: The Latest Rasmussen Poll
    Rasmussen Reports: The Most Comprehensive Public Opinion Data Anywhere

    Most people now understand natural climate cycles (planetary trends).

    Al Gore's Endgame: "Deniers" are now the majority | Dr. Goldstein's Blog
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    Exactly who is in a majority? (As if reality was decided by referendum)

    From another thread, there are a great variety of climate change beliefs:

    1. The greenhouse effect, discovered by Joseph Fourier in 1824, does not exist
    2. The greenhouse effect exists, but that there is no current increase in global temperatures
    3. Global temperatures are increasing, but only within a cyclical pattern that has no connection to human activity
    4. Human activity is causing temperatures to increase, but not on a significant scale
    5. Human activity is causing temperatures to increase on a significant scale, but this will benefit rather than threaten mankind
    6. Human activity is causing threatening temperature increase, but no human intervention is feasible, so remedial action is a better route
    7. More scientific research is needed to reach any conclusions on climate change
    8. Climate change is a hoax, dreamt up by politicians and scientists trying to justify increased taxes and research budgets

    Clearly all of these positions are mutually exclusive, except number eight, which could be combined with any one of the first three or four.

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    Data applies to America...where 45% of the population believe the Earth is less than 10,000 years old. The likelihood that they understand "planetary trends" is slim.

    Still, it doesn't matter whether they know it's anthropogenic or not, as long as they know we need to do something about it - and 62% of them think it's a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibis View Post
    Data applies to America...where 45% of the population believe the Earth is less than 10,000 years old. The likelihood that they understand "planetary trends" is slim.

    Still, it doesn't matter whether they know it's anthropogenic or not, as long as they know we need to do something about it - and 62% of them think it's a problem.
    It makes a HUGE difference if it's anthropogenic or not - if it's not man-made then it's increased solar activity or "planetary trends" - and carbon taxes are not going to make a difference
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhonda15 View Post
    It makes a HUGE difference if it's anthropogenic or not - if it's not man-made then it's increased solar activity or "planetary trends" - and carbon taxes are not going to make a difference
    Mm. Fortunately, public belief doesn't determine science, or policy response.*

    *[SIZE="1"]observation not valid under Republican administrations[/SIZE]
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibis View Post
    Data applies to America...where 45% of the population believe the Earth is less than 10,000 years old. The likelihood that they understand "planetary trends" is slim...
    The figure for creationists in the US is higher, as I remember, but I'll take your word for it.

    This point is hugely important. The cohort who refuse to believe in climate change and the cohort who refuse to believe in evolution cross over almost perfectly. For the most part, it is only in Europe that there exists a (pretty small) elite who accept science in most areas, but for transparently political reasons, do not accept the science on climate change. That said, their main architect was the US republican strategist Frank Luntz, who wrote:

    "The scientific debate is closing [against us] but not yet closed. There is still a window of opportunity to challenge the science...Voters believe that there is no consensus about global warming within the scientific community. Should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly. Therefore, you need to continue to make the lack of scientific certainty a primary issue in the debate..."

    It is clear from this that he accepts the science, but that for party political reasons, he exploits the public's lack of understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibis View Post
    Data applies to America...where 45% of the population believe the Earth is less than 10,000 years old. The likelihood that they understand "planetary trends" is slim.

    Still, it doesn't matter whether they know it's anthropogenic or not, as long as they know we need to do something about it - and 62% of them think it's a problem.
    I don't think Irish people are in a good place to throw insults about the extent and influence of religious beliefs on their society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GJG View Post
    Exactly who is in a majority? (As if reality was decided by referendum)

    From another thread, there are a great variety of climate change beliefs:

    1. The greenhouse effect, discovered by Joseph Fourier in 1824, does not exist
    2. The greenhouse effect exists, but that there is no current increase in global temperatures
    3. Global temperatures are increasing, but only within a cyclical pattern that has no connection to human activity
    4. Human activity is causing temperatures to increase, but not on a significant scale
    5. Human activity is causing temperatures to increase on a significant scale, but this will benefit rather than threaten mankind
    6. Human activity is causing threatening temperature increase, but no human intervention is feasible, so remedial action is a better route
    7. More scientific research is needed to reach any conclusions on climate change
    8. Climate change is a hoax, dreamt up by politicians and scientists trying to justify increased taxes and research budgets

    Clearly all of these positions are mutually exclusive, except number eight, which could be combined with any one of the first three or four.
    The single common point of agreement is most likely to be:

    "We are not facing human induced dangerous climate change"

    That's all you need to know. So we can scrap all the expensive artifice of tax-payer funded lobby-research-advocacy, UN and government junkets galore and save a bundle.

    NOt to mention the abandonment of the plethora of stupid policy that would threaten the quality of life and standard of living of people all over the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibis View Post
    Mm. Fortunately, public belief doesn't determine science, or policy response.*

    *[SIZE="1"]observation not valid under Republican administrations[/SIZE]
    That is a crazy statement. The day public will no longer determine public policy is the day for revolution.

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