Spiritofireland.org - suggests energy independence in five years and much more

[fiannafailure]

You are joking right. So without even an initial designyou are saying that it is commercially proven.

That is laughable.

The generation of electricity by pumped storage is an established, dependable, and everyday piece of engineering.
The particular form of this technology has been in everyday use in Japan for years.
Irelands advantage is that we have natural reservoirs and so the build cost is hugely less expensive

The figure of 800m was arrived at after a survey of one particular site

[riven]

The generation of electricity by pumped storage is an established, dependable, and everyday piece of engineering.

Provide a reference for this.

and quoting figures for a site in Japan is wirthless.

One minute you say the resevoir question it is site specific now you say it is not.

Hell distillation column prices which are practically comodities in the chemical industry are not considered everyday pieces of engineering.

[fiannafailure]

Calina
What in gods name do you think S of I are doing at this very moment, twiddling their thumbs.

By the way have you asked the national pension reserve fund for a list of their investments lately

You would be very wise to ask all those specific questions if you were being asked for your money now.

You are being asked the question in a very real sense, what are your children going to use to power their lives when the oil runs out

And if 80% employment, and getting steadily lower, is a good figure for you fine.
Its not for the 20% and getting bigger of the unemployed.

You obviously didnt try to earn a living in the 80s

[sparkey321]

The generation of electricity by pumped storage is an established, dependable, and everyday piece of engineering.
The particular form of this technology has been in everyday use in Japan for years.
Ireland's advantage is that we have natural reservoirs and so the build cost is hugely less expensive

The figure of 800m was arrived at after a survey of one particular site

Pumped storage is a proven concept yes but not at the scale and purpose you are proposing.

Point out one single operational pumped storage unit with a capacity of 3.5Gw ?

Point out one single operational (or even planned) with an output capacity to provide power for weeks or even days ?

All existing pumped storage units are designed to provide additional power during peak periods. Short periods of time measured in hours.

You (as in SOI) are proposing energy independence which will require pumped storage to provide power when generation capacity is low or non existent which will happen for periods of days and weeks.

At the scale you are proposing it is far far from a proven concept.

[Geckko]

Here are some interesting numbers.

Total rated wind generation capacity in Ireland - 1,300MW
Average wind generation over the last week - < 100MW (and virtually nothing on some days like right now at around 30MW).

Under the SOI proposal, Ireland would have been running almost completely off stored pumped capacity for at least a week now (assuming all reservoirs were full at the start).

How much reserve would we now have left if we were operating under SoI, assuming:

Full reservoirs 7 days ago?
50% full reservoirs 7 days ago?
10% full reservoirs 7 days ago?

I think those are interesting questions.

[fiannafailure]

Provide a reference for this.

Turlough Hill

and quoting figures for a site in Japan is wirthless.

Exactly, but it works every day

One minute you say the resevoir question it is site specific now you say it is not.

The capacity is

Hell distillation column prices which are practically comodities in the chemical industry are not considered everyday pieces of engineering.

Since when are prices pieces of engineering

[fiannafailure]

Here are some interesting numbers.

Total rated wind generation capacity in Ireland - 1,300MW
Average wind generation over the last week - < 100MW (and virtually nothing on some days like right now at around 30MW).

Under the SOI proposal, Ireland would have been running almost completely off stored pumped capacity for at least a week now (assuming all reservoirs were full at the start).

How much reserve would we now have left if we were operating under SoI, assuming:

Full reservoirs 7 days ago?
50% full reservoirs 7 days ago?
10% full reservoirs 7 days ago?

I think those are interesting questions.

I see you are reading the forum on the S of I website

[Geckko]

How about a more sensible proposition:

How much total capacity from conventional sources could be gradually run down via obsolescence if the pumped storage element of this proposal was pursued.

What would be the affect on the cost per unit of electricity consumed (not supplied note SoI supporters)?

Now that might make some economic sense. In fact it is more likely to given that I witness that very approach taken in many places including Japan and Wales.

[fiannafailure]

Pumped storage is a proven concept yes but not at the scale and purpose you are proposing.

Point out one single operational pumped storage unit with a capacity of 3.5Gw ?

Point out one single operational (or even planned) with an output capacity to provide power for weeks or even days ?

All existing pumped storage units are designed to provide additional power during peak periods. Short periods of time measured in hours.

You (as in SOI) are proposing energy independence which will require pumped storage to provide power when generation capacity is low or non existent which will happen for periods of days and weeks.

At the scale you are proposing it is far far from a proven concept.

Sparkey

now have joined the real discussion,
welcome to the enlightened, you now grasp the scale and opportunity offered,
but you are correct, you get nothing for nothing

[Geckko]

I see you are reading the forum on the S of I website

No I haven't Does the website have the answers?