Spiritofireland.org - suggests energy independence in five years and much more

[fiannafailure]

Kumbaya. Why get all spiritual about this.

If you reckon that is the way to go, go and talk with a credit union or two to get the money.

BUt I suspect you had something a little more, how shall I put it, compulsory in mind.

No I asked for your opinion on the ownership of energy companies, nothing spiritual about that

[Geckko]

You accused someone of telling LIES - but you keep putting out porkies - the load factor for Irish wind is an average of 35%, NOT 20%. Why the need for the lies?

Ireland: Where wind power is king | Green Tech - CNET News

You are the lier here in claiming that wind generation is so cheap and finding someone willing to lie (Sustainable Energy Ireland - there's a surprise) to support you.

But when you draw back the curtain you find there is an additional c. 20 cents per KWh in cost lurking there for any meaningful generation capacity filled by wind.

an extra 20 cents per KWh!!!!!

Out of your pocket bud, not mine.

http://www.sd-commission.org.uk/publ...NovRev2005.pdf

[Geckko]

No I asked for your opinion on the ownership of energy companies, nothing spiritual about that

I beg your pardon. I was replying to the other fainnafailure who wrtoe:

ownership and control, influence not protest, Self Help [a proper noun, no less]

If you can get people to back this without asking for an economic return (the Credit Union way) then go fo it.

In all of this debate I hold no ideological postion. If wind power was a source of really cheap reliable electricity then fine.

But I am a realist and I see from observation that people can't turn a profit on it without government intervention, if nothing else, that it doesn't stack up and I won't be railroaded into paying more for my electricity (directly or via taxes or subsidies) by people who want this on principle alone.

[joel]

You are the lier here in claiming that wind generation is so cheap and finding someone willing to lie (Sustainable Energy Ireland - there's a surprise) to support you.

But when you draw back the curtain you find there is an additional c. 20 cents per KWh in cost lurking there for any meaningful generation capacity filled by wind.

an extra 20 cents per KWh!!!!!

Out of your pocket bud, not mine.

http://www.sd-commission.org.uk/publ...NovRev2005.pdf

Hey, Gek, thats the UK! - we're talking about Ireland, savvy?

[Geckko]

Hey, Gek, thats the UK! - we're talking about Ireland, savvy?

What the...

I forgot you were talking about the super duper magical wind generation, now incorporating extra-fairy[SIZE="1"](TM)[/SIZE] technology.

Or is it just the regular catch all. Ireland is different.

[sparkey321]

I take it from that reply that you do care, liar that I am.

And to the best of my knowledge, S of I have not asked anyone for a cent.

I actually agree with a lot of what you say, particularly that people should be told the full facts before they are asked to put their money, public or private, on the table.

I personally know a few sei registered installers, who can put in the system in a mechanical sense but have no interest in whether that particular system suits that customers needs and the customer didnt know either.

And the available information from the SEI or any government forum is laughable, if you browse the forum on the S of I website, you will see that there is no censorship of ideology and debate is encouraged, and over the next few months I hope that there will be many points of view advanced, although many contributors at the moment seem to be engineers, that is how to educate people in the downside of anything, open debate.

Any renewable energy policy has got to inform people that by their very nature, they have new challenges, and new avenues to be ambushed from.

And that is what is being promoted by S of I at the moment, and again that is my opinion

Do you even read your own posts ?

What you just said makes no sense.
What SOI did was over promise and under deliver.

How can you qualify the fact that they promised energy independence and 60 billion in savings within 5 years as well as 50 billion in power exports ?

[sparkey321]

You accused someone of telling LIES - but you keep putting out porkies - the load factor for Irish wind is an average of 35%, NOT 20%. Why the need for the lies?

Ireland: Where wind power is king | Green Tech - CNET News

Just to stop this 35% \ 30% \ 25% 20% argument starting all over again lets assume its 30% and let me re-qualify my statement.

For every 10MW of installed capacity you get 3MW of actually power.

Now even with those figures go do the math.

Then look at the airgrid figures for actual power generated by wind and compare that to when power is actually needed.


Wind Generation | Eirgrid

[fiannafailure]

I beg your pardon. I was replying to the other fainnafailure who wrtoe:



If you can get people to back this without asking for an economic return (the Credit Union way) then go fo it.

In all of this debate I hold no ideological postion. If wind power was a source of really cheap reliable electricity then fine.

But I am a realist and I see from observation that people can't turn a profit on it without government intervention, if nothing else, that it doesn't stack up and I won't be railroaded into paying more for my electricity (directly or via taxes or subsidies) by people who want this on principle alone.

Credit unions return a dividend to their members annually, they also choose the profit margin expected to achieved by their management.

Can you also explain to me your understanding of how the subsidy
issue arose

[fiannafailure]

Just to stop this 35% \ 30% \ 25% 20% argument starting all over again lets assume its 30% and let me re-qualify my statement.

For every 10MW of installed capacity you get 3MW of actually power.

Now even with those figures go do the math.

Then look at the airgrid figures for actual power generated by wind and compare that to when power is actually needed.


Wind Generation | Eirgrid

and then add in the wind power not being generated because there is no grid connection

[Geckko]

Credit unions return a dividend to their members annually, they also choose the profit margin expected to achieved by their management.

Can you also explain to me your understanding of how the subsidy
issue arose

You are confusing yourself by digressing into the issue of credit unions.

Wind power needs a subsidy to compete on cost with other technologies. Is that plain enough.

Now, credit unions. If you want to finance this from a credit union, then go and talk to a credit union.

Christ.