Spiritofireland.org - suggests energy independence in five years and much more

[SirCharles]

Somebody writes that he heard a "great story" and we are forced to read that "great story" now. Any more "great stories", Tombo?
Yawn.

[fiannafailure]

Great blog:

The Great Wind Farm Disaster (ctd.) – Telegraph Blogs

Tombo,
I believe that this is the same Mr Ridley who was the non executive chairman of Northern Rock when it bit the dust

Good market judgement might not be his strong point.

[energy]

There are many sites in Ireland where you could build 500MW windfarms and impact on a tiny part of the population or land area.

The windfarms will be neither tiny or numerous and I am gratified that you have done our site selection for us.

From Business & Finance Magazine - 27th May 2010

This EUR3.45bn, 700MW base load, 2,000MW peak power plant will comprise 21 separate elements. This includes 18 wind farms, a hydro station, a power collection network from wind farms to a hydo storage reservoir in a dammed up U-shaped valley somewhere on the west coast and a transmission connection at grid level.

This equates to 18 wind farms approximately 111MW in size.

Reminds me of a saying from Michel Eyquem De Montaigne :
"He who is not very strong in memory should not meddle with lying."

[feargach]

In Germany, it's by no means uncommon to have 18 wind farms and more in an area no bigger than Cork.

So if this proposal is to put a total of 18 farms the whole national territory, I fail to see how you can justify the use of the word "numerous", unless you think nobody can spot the lie. And if you bothered to read the quote you pasted in, you'd see that lying is a bad policy.

[energy]

In Germany, it's by no means uncommon to have 18 wind farms and more in an area no bigger than Cork.

So if this proposal is to put a total of 18 farms the whole national territory, I fail to see how you can justify the use of the word "numerous", unless you think nobody can spot the lie. And if you bothered to read the quote you pasted in, you'd see that lying is a bad policy.

You're missing the point. The reservoirs are at present located in Donegal.
If you have 18 farms located across the "whole national territory" and then connect back to the reservoir in Donegal by a private 110kV grid if would cost an absolute fortune! E.g An 111MW farm in South Kerry has an exclusive line all the way to Donegal! This is repeated for the other 17 wind farms! Economic madness - plus serious transmission losses - 18 Wind farms for a project this size is numerous!

[fiannafailure]

You're missing the point. The reservoirs are at present located in Donegal.
If you have 18 farms located across the "whole national territory" and then connect back to the reservoir in Donegal by a private 110kV grid if would cost an absolute fortune! E.g An 111MW farm in South Kerry has an exclusive line all the way to Donegal! This is repeated for the other 17 wind farms! Economic madness - plus serious transmission losses - 18 Wind farms for a project this size is numerous!

Once again I thank you for taking charge of site selection for S of I, although I question your fixation on Donegal, I also wonder about the definition of a windfarm, surely the definition is based on administrative ownership rather than geographical location.

[Pats points are sound]

Reading politics.ie and noted article and comment that has relevance.

http://www.politics.ie/environment/1...er-corrib.html
The topic referenced this article in the Irish Times
Appointment of ombudsman to Corrib gas advised - The Irish Times - Mon, Jul 12, 2010

This comment struck a chord to here!
Harmonica
Politics.ie Member

Obviously Lenihan is a fool to suggest an accident could never happen.
I am not sure Norway & Ireland are comparable. I doubt Ireland ever has the potential to produce anything like the Norwegian volumes of oil and gas to make a state company worthwhile - its too easy to suggest creating a state company after the gas is found. I don't remember any one suggesting we create a state company 10-15 years ago.

Ireland has little enough going for it now, and in our short term economic future.
The state needs to own this for the nation, so we can call ourselves a nation of any sort.

This line of Irish ownership via buy in, share options what ever you dream up does not and will not suffice. Shares are traded easily and only for those with spare capital. For the rich in other words.

If this goes wrong, who will foot the bill?

If the fundamentals of power of this land are not controlled by the state, you have anarchy by another form.
Warning to those greedy who have learned nothing from the property greed.
If you think that by getting wealthy you can protect yourselves or your families (if you are even thinking family/community), from the masses left out on the fringes, you will be the first in humankind to achieve it.

This is not socialism, it is social sense.
Ireland's unique national assets which should make us all a happier and more stable nation. National assets which should be for the common good, are once again going to be grabbed up by a few.
This scheme is designed for land owners and those wealth to spare to make more profits. It is devious to call it the Spirit of Ireland.

[fiannafailure]

Reading politics.ie and noted article and comment that has relevance.

http://www.politics.ie/environment/1...er-corrib.html
The topic referenced this article in the Irish Times
Appointment of ombudsman to Corrib gas advised - The Irish Times - Mon, Jul 12, 2010

This comment struck a chord to here!
Harmonica
Politics.ie Member


Ireland has little enough going for it now, and in our short term economic future.
The state needs to own this for the nation, so we can call ourselves a nation of any sort.

This line of Irish ownership via buy in, share options what ever you dream up does not and will not suffice. Shares are traded easily and only for those with spare capital. For the rich in other words.

If this goes wrong, who will foot the bill?

If the fundamentals of power of this land are not controlled by the state, you have anarchy by another form.
Warning to those greedy who have learned nothing from the property greed.
If you think that by getting wealthy you can protect yourselves or your families (if you are even thinking family/community), from the masses left out on the fringes, you will be the first in humankind to achieve it.

This is not socialism, it is social sense.
Ireland's unique national assets which should make us all a happier and more stable nation. National assets which should be for the common good, are once again going to be grabbed up by a few.
This scheme is designed for land owners and those wealth to spare to make more profits. It is devious to call it the Spirit of Ireland.

It is devious to call it the Spirit of Ireland.

Why do continue to use insult. You have never once contacted S of I to ascertain your facts.

Shares are traded easily and only for those with spare capital. For the rich in other words.

Not in a Co Op sir.

[zuiderzee]

This project is something that Amhran Na would supprt, and use as a springboard for the creation of gren collar manufacturing jobs that the green party have talked about but never delivered

[energy]

From The (green) Spirit of Ireland Berkeley Lab News Center

When asked by a skeptical American in the audience about how such a wind system would work in North America, the presenters made a spirited claim that vast amounts of wind power could be generated up the Mississippi River Valley and delivered to both coasts. Details were vague and as the panelists went on to answer the next question, the skeptical American grumbled to no one in particular, “That means that it won’t work.”

Don’t tell that to the Irish.