Spiritofireland.org - suggests energy independence in five years and much more

[fiannafailure]

Straw man argument

On one level I agree, most newer thermal plants have an annual availability approaching 90% and a true comparison of the cost benefit analysis of renewables versus fossil must take many more factors into account than raw engineering statistics

[Heorditas]

most newer thermal plants have an annual availability approaching 90%

A plant could have an availability figure of 100% for a particular month and its output could be 0%.

You're trying to mislead people again

[fiannafailure]

A plant could have an availability figure of 100% for a particular month and its output could be 0%.

You're trying to mislead people again

I would suggest that if a plant had an availability that was not being utilised by the market, then there might be something wrong with the system or the company that owned it. Perhaps the reason is that its fuel had become very expensive and it was not competitive.

You constantly accuse me of misleading people, what do I have to gain from such enterprise, in my experience, misled people tend to bite.

I bowed out of this debate for a while and found that misleading or incomplete information was being presented. And ordinary posters who were expressing their opinions were being ridiculed. The future energy needs of this country will not be resolved in this forum.

I would also suggest that if S of I or any other energy company cannot fulfil any commitment it makes to a counterparty of a power purchase agreement, then it will soon find itself out of business.

[energy]

See Díospóireachtaí Thithe an Oireachtais - Houses of the Oireachtas

From Joint Committee on Climate Change and Energy Security 03MAR10.

[energy]

fiannafailure,

from the transcript ...

What has happened since is that an enormous number of Irish companies, such as SIAC and Sisk and consultants from abroad such as Tobin Engineering, Siemens, Mitsubishi - the list is endless - have all contributed their technical input to ABB Ireland for the technical development of the project.

Are ABB really co-ordinating this effort and overseeing the technical aspects of the project ?

[fiannafailure]

fiannafailure,

from the transcript ...


Are ABB really co-ordinating this effort and overseeing the technical aspects of the project ?

I have refrained from mentioning any one company in connection with S of I without their permission, although there are a lot of companies providing input, when and if a representative of a particular company wishes to tell the world of their companies involvement I will comment.

I am not being discourteous when I suggest that you phone them and ask, I have meetings with two very large multinational engineering companies next week on various aspects of Irelands renewable potential and the part they might wish to play in its future.

[energy]

I am not being discourteous when I suggest that you phone them and ask

Will do !

[sparkey321]

Yeah, and pigs might fly.

Still awaiting a reply: Who are the names and faces who will own our renewable resources?

I really cannot understand why people come on a thread demanding information that has already been posted multiple times in the very same thread.

Seeing as you are lazy I will give you a hint. Look at the title of the thread and you might see a hidden website address.

Or perhaps even that is too much for you.

The wind turbines will be owned by the companies \ cop-ops \ whatever that bought and installed them.

The reservoir will be owned by what ever company \ consortium \ co-op that built it.

Is that simple enough for you ?

[Tombo]

It will compare very well, I would suggest that you are attempting to extrapolate presently existing metrics into a new concept, why not wait until the project is formally launched and then do your analysis.

It is obvious that you are technically aware, why not accept my offer of a personal briefing.

Well, no he isn't.

Those "metrics" under your "new concept" would mean that SoI would either:

1. be draining stored reserved, or
2. allowing reliable backup (thermal plants) to meet demand

under a) there might not be any stored energy left. Under b) it means you have had an alternative available all along and could have saved the €billions sepnt on building your "concept" in the first place.

[Murra]

I really cannot understand why people come on a thread demanding information that has already been posted multiple times in the very same thread.

Seeing as you are lazy I will give you a hint. Look at the title of the thread and you might see a hidden website address.

Or perhaps even that is too much for you.

The wind turbines will be owned by the companies \ cop-ops \ whatever that bought and installed them.

The reservoir will be owned by what ever company \ consortium \ co-op that built it.

Is that simple enough for you ?

Thanks, I just needed somebody to confirm my fears as I am already so bruised from pinching myself too many times.

So, what you are saying is that certain Consortiums (or is that Consortia?) will own and control our energy sources - just as Shell owns and controls our gas off the north west coast?

So basically, when we have no rights to our own renewable energy... we're even more f***ed than we are today?