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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    Hadn't heard that. Why not?
    I can't see anybody putting up the finance in the current climate, not least because it is so difficult to obtain supplies. Upthread is a report on the Isle of Grain Terminal in the UK. Up until June they had only managed to source 10% of their requirements because they were being outbid for tanker loads from Qatar by Asian buyers.


    From an Energy Security perspective LNG is not a solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPN View Post
    From an Energy Security perspective LNG is not a solution.
    I was fairly dubious about it but since it was private money that was involved, I assumed it was a viable commercial scheme.
    Regarding energy security, the best plan, short term, is conservation with the best return on investment coming from improving insulation. Its not sexy but its very effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPN View Post
    I can't see anybody putting up the finance in the current climate, not least because it is so difficult to obtain supplies. Upthread is a report on the Isle of Grain Terminal in the UK. Up until June they had only managed to source 10% of their requirements because they were being outbid for tanker loads from Qatar by Asian buyers.


    From an Energy Security perspective LNG is not a solution.

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    The idea of shipping gas all round the world, is no different to shipping oil. There is a market, and you have to pay the market price. I don't see the problem. We need as diverse a supply of energy as possible.

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    What a pity Gawd didn't leave any for us ,off of our west coast



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    Quote Originally Posted by michael1965 View Post
    The idea of shipping gas all round the world, is no different to shipping oil. There is a market, and you have to pay the market price. I don't see the problem. We need as diverse a supply of energy as possible.
    Shipping Oil was a good idea in the days when supply exceeded demand.

    With Gas, demand far exceeds supply. Previously, if you had access to a pipeline you were grand. If you are bidding against all and sundry for the highly mobile tankers of LNG then you are on a hiding to nothing.

    I'd prefer a secure supply to a diverse supply, and an indigenous supply is better than having to send money out of the economy to import an ever more expensive commodity.

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    We need to build a nuclear station as soon as possible. We should have built Carnsore Point years ago - and ignored the hippy beardy weirdy objectors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurian View Post
    We need to build a nuclear station as soon as possible. We should have built Carnsore Point years ago - and ignored the hippy beardy weirdy objectors.
    Why?

    Our biggest problem is liquid transport fuels, +/-40% of our energy consumption. How would a Nuke solve that?

    We can generate all our electricity requirement from other sources, and we can meet all our space heating from other sources - particularly if we put in place an effective energy conservation strategy.

    A Nuke would be an extremely expensive white elephant which - even if it worked - wouldn't actually do anything to address the actual problem we face.

    Those hippy beardy weirdy types should be thanked for saving the taxpayer billions - think eVoting x 1000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPN View Post
    Shipping Oil was a good idea in the days when supply exceeded demand.

    With Gas, demand far exceeds supply.
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    I don't think so. According to the US DoE.
    Despite high rates of increase in natural gas consumption, particularly over the past decade, most regional reserves-to-production ratios are substantial. Worldwide, the reserves-to-production ratio is estimated at 63 years [9]. By region, the highest ratios are about 48 years for Central and South America, 78 years for Russia, 79 years for Africa, and more than 100 years for the Middle East.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurian View Post
    We need to build a nuclear station as soon as possible. We should have built Carnsore Point years ago - and ignored the hippy beardy weirdy objectors.
    Heck no. And I say that as one who does not disagree with nuclear power.
    The Carnsore plant was not the best design. If you're going to build a nuke plant, build a modern design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myksav View Post
    Heck no. And I say that as one who does not disagree with nuclear power.
    The Carnsore plant was not the best design. If you're going to build a nuke plant, build a modern design.
    Also, you have to acknowledge that a lot of people who previously thought nuclear power wasn't a good idea, might have changed their minds.

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