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About LinkBacksI never knew "Global Warming Denial" was akin to "Holocaust Denial".
I never knew "Global Warming Denial" was akin to "Holocaust Denial".
Well, I reckon the increase in population, industry and deforestation since the beginning of time would probabably have had an impact on global warming (at some point!) Did I read somewhere that a country called the 'United States of America' might also be contributing to global warming in some small wayOriginally Posted by Hazlitt
I do think that it's too much money to be spending on global warming given the current economic climate in Europe - pardon the pun.
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Hi cHeal,
That's very shortsighted. Read the link in my last post about the potential cost to the EU by 2020 - €1 trillion euro !! That's 1 trillion euro that will not go to butchers, bakers, clothes-makers, labourers, computer manufacturers, lawyers, doctors, nurses, shop assistants, factory workers, etc etc etc etc
How do you think the EU is going to be able to meet these global warming targets? By imposing restrictions and taxes on individuals, families, and businesses.
Unlikely to be onerous ones, though - the EU's GDP is about €15 trillion annually, while the €1 trillion (€800bn-€1.1trn) is over 14 years. The projected costs are therefore about 0.47% of EU GDP (assuming EU GDP doesn't grow at all). Hardly earth-shattering.
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From 1998 to 2008 the earth has been getting cooler (couldn't you tell, it's been f***ing freezing the past while!Well, I reckon the increase in population, industry and deforestation since the beginning of time would probabably have had an impact on global warming (at some point!) Did I read somewhere that a country called the 'United States of America' might also be contributing to global warming in some small way)....
Source: Climate facts to warm to | The Australian"No, actually, there has been cooling, if you take 1998 as your point of reference. If you take 2002 as your point of reference, then temperatures have plateaued. This is certainly not what you'd expect if carbon dioxide is driving temperature because carbon dioxide levels have been increasing but temperatures have actually been coming down over the last 10 years."
That's not the point ibis, the point is that with no good evidence it's a terrible waste of money, money that could be used in more productive areas of the european economy, and not at the cost of higher taxes for families and/or more regulations/restrictions on enterprise.
Yeah, and the two outcomes are thus:
A: We don't destroy ourselves!!!!
B: We pay higher taxes for a short while, but also create many many new jobs in a brand new industry and don't have to invade countries to guarantee our energy demands. We pay higher taxes, but pay less for our energy. Some old industries die but new ones can be created. There is huge potential in the upcoming "green" economy, I personally don't mind that our governments are targetting my money toward encourage its uptake. Okay so the world wasn't in peril, but fossil fuels were going to run out and why bother paying other nations for a resource when you can subsitute for indigenous jobs and industry?
There is absolutely no sense in opposing carbon taxes and other scheme which will eventually save you money, schemes which could eventually give you greater independence! I don't agree with people being turned into criminals over it (well maybe companies) but I have no problem with the government giving people a nudge that will in the long term almost definitely benefit them and the country as a whole.
There is no such thing as the free market, stop living the dream, it's gone its over and is unlikely to ever return.
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Why not deal with the provable stuff like:
Spreading s#ite on farms leads to rivers, lakes and estuaries full of s#ite
Filling up open dumps with garbage leads to leachate, methane, disease etc
Pumping animals with hormones, drugs etc causes increased resistance to existing biotics, is possibly dangerous to consume, is contributing to an increase in female hormones in nature
Keeping animals locked up in unnatural conditions is cruel and is a prime source of the s#ite that is being spread on farms and has been linked to numerous oubreaks of disease
Industrial pollutants from toxic chemicals to smokestack discharges
Industrial pollutants from refining
Industrial pollutants from mining
Possible detrimental ill-effects on water sources from the amount of drugs consumed by man which is only now beginning to be investigated
And we still don't know what the effect of GMOs are due to the fact that there are no regulations in place or trials taking place to see what dangers they might or might not have in store for us
All the stuff you mentioned about alternatives to carbon based energy sources were allready being tried before the current climate change faddists got on the scene but we were all being ignored and treated as loonie tree-huggers then. The fact is noting is still being done about the issues above and they are having an immediate extremely detrimental influence on our living environment. 20 years ago Germans were telling us how great it was that our rivers and lakes were so clean; we haven't the smallest perchentage of their industrial development yet we are worse than they are now.
There's nearly 40 years worth of evidence and scientific investigation, starting back with some very fumbling stuff right back in the early 1970's. That people don't know that indicates they haven't bothered informing themselves properly, not that the science isn't there.
Never let the best be the enemy of the good.
We aren't going to anyway.... we don't need to spend 1 trillion
And we lose jobs and workers from more productive and profitable industries, private enterprises that don't require an increased tax burden on the ordinary working man and woman....
What country have we invaded to guarantee our energy demands. Are you for real?!
Then you are free to invest your own savings in the upcoming "green" economy
You're entitled to that. I personally DO mind my tax money being spent on it.
Because it would be more economical for us to do so??
1 trillion euro cost to taxpayers potentially. . . . you can't say with certainty there would be any savings.
Interdependance and trade between countries promotes peace in my opinion.
Absolute nonsense - "there is no such thing as the free market". You're living in a socialist dreamworld mate, socialism failed - get over it !! East Germany, Cuba, North Korea, Soviet Union and its satellites - ALL sh*tholes mate, with NO political or economic freedom for the citizens..... come back to the real world.
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