Carbon capture and storage

[Destiny's Soldier]

By the way if the Greens had any sort of brain outside the religion they follow they would get out a calculator.

Even if 33 deg of atmospheric temperature was supposedly produced by reflected light from the surface of the planet (which it is not eg also Conduction and Convection ) take a look at the absorption due to Water Vapour and CO2 alone.

Greenhouse effect:
95% from Water Vapour

5% CO2 (97% of the 5% from Natural Processes)

33 x 0.05 x 0.03 = 0.05 degree C.

How in Gods name can anyone say that 0.6 of a degree in the past 100 years was man made when the max could be 0.05 deg?

Two functions on a calculator and you can see CO2 from man couldn't cause a temp rise.

[Seos]

When you look at man's activities for CO2 release roughly 27,000,000,000 tonnes annually!

Then look at Man's activities for CO2 capture roughly 10,000,000,000 tonnes of Vegetable,Fruit, Maize, Barley, Wheat, Sugar Cane, Tea, Coffee, Rice, double the weight to include roots and stems,leaves roughly 20,000,000,000.

Now add the 27% of all land on earth is covered in Grassland which is cultived and farmed to produce, silage, hay, grass, alfalfa, you well get up and above 27BN tonnes of Carbon Dioxide Capture.

What a bunch of idiots the Greens are. CO2 is the lego on all life on earth.

What a infantile notion to remove the fertiliser which makes the food for the planet.

Do you even know what fossil fuels come from? Organic matter... a lot of it: Fossil fuel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The total fossil fuel used in the year 1997 is the result of 422 years of all plant matter that grew on the entire surface and in all the oceans of the ancient earth.

So you genuinely think that 1 years farming counteracts completely burning the equivalent 422 years worth of plants?

There's a lot of other problems with that post but I'm only bothered posting one.

[goosebump]

When you look at man's activities for CO2 release roughly 27,000,000,000 tonnes annually!

Then look at Man's activities for CO2 capture roughly 10,000,000,000 tonnes of Vegetable,Fruit, Maize, Barley, Wheat, Sugar Cane, Tea, Coffee, Rice, double the weight to include roots and stems,leaves roughly 20,000,000,000.

Now add the 27% of all land on earth is covered in Grassland which is cultived and farmed to produce, silage, hay, grass, alfalfa, you well get up and above 27BN tonnes of Carbon Dioxide Capture.

What a bunch of idiots the Greens are. CO2 is the lego on all life on earth.

What a infantile notion to remove the fertiliser which makes the food for the planet.

That's a mind-bogglingly stupid post.

Nature constantly releases and captures carbon in cycles of anything from 1 to 100 years. The release of this carbon is not the issue, given that our climate has adapted to these cycles.

The issue is with the carbon that is being released from sinks that were created millions of years ago. Nature cannot re-capture this carbon at the same rate it is being released, with the result that our climate shifts out of its natural cycle.

There is a fairly basic logic in this, that no amount pop-science will displace it.

And by the by, I'm fairly sure that that the Greens aren't the only constituency who believe in the reality of climate change.

[Defeated Romanticist]

Do you even know what fossil fuels come from? Organic matter... a lot of it: Fossil fuel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So you genuinely think that 1 years farming counteracts completely burning the equivalent 422 years worth of plants?

There's a lot of other problems with that post but I'm only bothered posting one.

It's a pont of controversy.

The idea that petroleum is formed from dead organic matter is known as the "biogenic theory" of petroleum formation and was first proposed by a Russian scientist almost 250 years ago.
In the 1950's, however, a few Russian scientists began questioning this traditional view and proposed instead that petroleum could form naturally deep inside the Earth.
This so-called "abiogenic" petroleum might seep upward through cracks formed by asteroid impacts to form [COLOR=#0066cc]underground pools[/COLOR], according to one hypothesis. Some geologists have suggested probing [COLOR=#0066cc]ancient impact craters[/COLOR] in the search for oil.
Abiogenic sources of oil have been found, but never in commercially profitable amounts. The controversy isn't over whether naturally forming oil reserves exist, said Larry Nation of the American Association of Petroleum Geologists. It's over how much they contribute to Earth's overall reserves and how much time and effort geologists should devote to seeking them out.
If abiogenic petroleum sources are indeed found to be abundant, it would mean Earth contains vast reserves of untapped petroleum and, since other rocky objects formed from the same raw material as Earth, that crude oil might exist on other planets or moons in the solar system, scientists say.

The Mysterious Origin and Supply of Oil | LiveScience

[myksav]

It's a pont of controversy.


The Mysterious Origin and Supply of Oil | LiveScience

You missed out on one important sentence in that article. "The far-out possibilities might surprise you."
Far out, indeed.

And just where does this "abiogenic" oil come from? What was its original source?
Or did it magically appear?

[cathal maguidhir]

Then look at Man's activities for CO2 capture roughly 10,000,000,000 tonnes of Vegetable,Fruit, Maize, Barley, Wheat, Sugar Cane, Tea, Coffee, Rice, double the weight to include roots and stems,leaves roughly 20,000,000,000.
unfortunately this is only "captured" until the person or thing that consumes it breathes out,and modern agri practice means very little biomass is going into medium term humic compounds,,the only LONG term storage on earth for to stabilise the carbon cycle is limestone formation which is another problem as sea acidification seems to be on some type of exponential trend inexplicabily at the minute
Rising acid levels in oceans threaten shellfish Ocean acidification

“Ocean acidification is a threat to our marine ecosystem and our economy. The change in ocean chemistry caused by greenhouse gases is corrosive and affects our marine life, food supply and overall ocean health,” Lautenberg said.

[ibis]

You missed out on one important sentence in that article. "The far-out possibilities might surprise you."
Far out, indeed.

And just where does this "abiogenic" oil come from? What was its original source?
Or did it magically appear?

To be fair to DR on this one point, abiogenic hydrocarbon formation is not totally discounted. However, there is no evidence that there is any such thing as abiogenic petroleum - as opposed to natural gas - and abiogenic formaiton of natural gas is thought to produce perhaps one-fiftieth of one percent of natural gas.

The theory itself suggests that hydrocarbons may be formed deep in the mantle and migrate upwards, which would make natural gas a renewable resource. At the rate that such formation is thought to occur, however, it would take on the order of a billion years to replenish the known gas reserves of the world. A little too slow to be useful.

I'm still waiting for DR to argue that drowning is impossible because water is a necessity of life.

[cathal maguidhir]

And just where does this "abiogenic" oil come from? What was its original source?
Or did it magically appear? same place as the methane oceans and glaciers on Neptune ,or maybe it had dinos in an earlier phase
The Abiotic Oil Formation Theory
Experiments have shown that under extreme conditions of heat and pressure it is possible to convert iron oxide, calcium carbonate and water into methane, with hydrocarbons containing up to 10 carbon atoms being produced by Russian scientists last century and confirmed in recent US experiments. The absence of large quantities of free gaseous oxygen in the magma prevents the hydrocarbons from burning and therefore forming the lower energy state molecule carbon dioxide. The conditions present in the Earth's mantle would easily be sufficient for these small hydrocarbon chains to polymerise into the longer chain molecules found in crude oil.

[cathal maguidhir]

"A little too slow to be useful." and ray burke would give it to shell anyway

[Destiny's Soldier]

There are oceans of Ethane and Methane on Titan (one of the moons orbiting Saturn).

How did that fossil fuel form?

Was it from decaying organic matter on it's surface?