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    Two more articles from Peter Sinclair who's not only debunking climate change denial, he's also presenting solutions.


    Electric Vehicles: Progress in Spite of Rough Ride


    October 24, 2011



    Apologies for the advertisements halfway thru. Good, warts and all update on electric vehicle development. It’s not about environmentalism or climate – it’s about economics and national security. This is a half hour film, so if time is short, skip to the very interesting discussion of lithium air batteries at 20:00.

    Meanwhile, even as the IBM expert in the video above asserts, “most people in the world want to own a car..” – there is evidence that the traditional auto-dependent lifestyle is losing its appeal. The personal auto as the primary means of transportation is sunsetting.

    Have We Reached Peak Car?:


    Experts say our love affair with the automobile is ending, and that could change much more than how we get around – it presents both an opportunity and an imperative to rethink how we build cities, how governments budget and even the contours of the political landscape.

    The most detailed picture of the trend comes from the United States, where the distance driven by Americans per capita each year flatlined at the turn of the century and has been dropping for six years. By last spring, Americans were driving the same distance as they had in 1998.

    The rebound in urban-centre residential growth over the past 20 years has reduced the need to drive, as many people have moved back within reach of city transit systems or even within walking distance from their jobs. Meanwhile, telecommuting, social media and online shopping have all cut back on the need for people to go anywhere outside the house at all.

    Demographics also have an important impact. The two largest current cohorts are aging baby boomers and their young-adult children, known as Generation Y. The youngest of these Millennials are currently in their mid-teens, just the age when they should be getting their driver’s licences.

    But U.S. transportation data show that many of them are putting off that long-cherished rite of passage well into their 20s.

    In fact, they’re more likely than any previous generation in the automotive age never to learn to drive at all. It’s a choice that may feed into their elders’ suspicion that this is a group that stubbornly holds on to its adolescence rather than accommodate itself to adulthood, but is also just a mark of when they came of age. To them, cars are “an older-generation technology,” says Tara Mahoney, 28, of Burnaby, B.C.

    “Cars are not as interesting as they used to be. They’re an outdated ethos,” says Ms. Mahoney, who owns a Subaru all-wheel-drive but finds it much less stressful to use a combination of Vancouver’s SkyTrain and a bicycle to get to her new-media company’s office downtown. “I think Generation Y might think of themselves as beyond that, as the generation that can do better.”



    Markey: Clean Energy Winning


    October 24, 2011



    Edward Markey in the Wall Street Journal:


    Regarding your editorial “A Better Idea for Green Jobs” (op-ed, Oct. 15): Here are the facts. Employment in the U.S. solar industry has doubled in the last two years. Solar energy now employs more than 100,000 Americans, tens of thousands more than in coal mining. The wind industry employs 85,000. According to the Brookings Institution, the clean economy now employs 2.7 million Americans, more than the fossil-fuel industry.

    By comparison, ExxonMobil, BP, Shell and Chevron, which made $546 billion in profits between 2005 and 2010, actually reduced their U.S. work forces by a combined 11,200 workers.

    Despite rhetorical attacks, clean energy is winning. New wind projects are selling their power for as little as three cents per kilowatt-hour, cheaper than natural gas. America is currently a net exporter of solar technology. We have a renewable energy technology trade surplus with China. From 2007 to 2010, America constructed nearly 32,000 new megawatts of wind, solar and biomass electricity. That is more than three times the amount of new coal during that time. Yet the only clean-energy company that conservatives seem to be able to talk about is Solyndra.

    Clean energy employs millions of Americans and provides power to millions more. Most Americans want to see their nation dominate a sector estimated to be worth $12 trillion over the next two decades.

    Rep. Ed Markey (D., Mass.)

    Ranking Member, Natural Resources Committee

    Malden, Mass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirCharles View Post
    [INDENT]Lastly, let’s talk for a moment about the furious backpedaling that’s happening in response to BEST. “Skeptics” over at Curry’s, WUWT, on social media sites like Reddit, etc. are falling all over themselves trying to claim that No True Skepticactually denies that the Earth is warming. They’re claiming the BEST results are meaningless because they don’t actually address attribution.

    To which I reply, “Bull************************.” A staggeringly large number of climate “skeptics” do in fact deny that the Earth is warming. A survey less than a month ago found that less than half (49%) of self-identified Republicans and even fewer (41%) self-identified Tea Partiers agreed that the Earth is actually warming.
    Not to mention all the attacks on the integrity of scientists who (it now appears) were right all along.

    One of the most unpleasant facets of this is how the denialist piranha school are now ripping at Muller for being "as bad as Michael Mann". No doubt they will be calling for more enquiries soon.

    You can have little sympathy for Muller who was content to bask in denialist admiration and repeat all their talking points when it suited him. He should have known that his "friends" would try to savage his reputation if he contradicted the party line. From Marc Morano's Climate Depot blog:

    NYT's Andrew Revkin claims Muller is a 'skeptic' because he criticized Michael Mann: Physicist Rebuts Revkin's Claim: 'Muller is no skeptic'

    Physicist: Just because Muller 'realized that Michael Mann has made things that can't be tolerated in science is nice and it may make you a heretic among some hardcore believers but it's not enough for you to be a genuine climate skeptic' -- 'Richard Muller's ultimate goal and the basic features of the not-quite-honest methods to achieve it are analogous to those of Michael Mann'
    The quoted physicist is Lubos Motl a dyed-in-the wool denier.

    Skeptic Talking Point Melts Away as an Inconvenient Physicist Confirms Warming - NYTimes.com

    Gavin Schmidt made this comment. Most climate scientist are amazed it is news .. it is just confirming what is already known.

    The only thing I would take issue with is the description of Muller as 'brave'. It isn't brave to slander people in many talks (including Jim [Hansen]) without having done the work required to justify such a claim. I do give him some credit with following the data as they emerged from their analysis (mostly from Rohde), but it would have been foolish not to. But this notion of a 'prodigal scientist' being braver than the people who worked out the answer before is not tenable.

    Gavin Schmidt
    NASA/Goddard Institute for Space Studies
    URL: NASA GISS: Gavin A. Schmidt
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    Greenfyres (nice to see this very good blog back in action: Global Warming is real (according to Dellingpole) « Greenfyre’s ) quotes Delingpole's reaction to BEST as a gem:

    “The planet has been warming,” says a new study of temperature records, conducted by Berkeley professor Richard Muller. I wonder what he’ll be telling us next: that night follows day? That water is wet? That great white sharks have nasty pointy teeth? That sheep go “baaaa”?
    But did not James take the lead in allegations of fraud against CRU scientists over the temperature record? If he knew the planet was warming all along, then what that fuss about? And how can Arctic Ice be "recovering" when we all know (apparently) that the planet is warming.

    The other embarrassment is that Muller's study was talked up by deniers when they thought it could be turned to their propaganda advantage. This has been brewing ever since the shock that accompanied his preliminary findings last March.

    The depths that Dellinpole plunges to can be judged by the fact that he quotes swift-boater Marc Morano as an "authority" on climate science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Not to mention all the attacks on the integrity of scientists who (it now appears) were right all along.

    One of the most unpleasant facets of this is how the denialist piranha school are now ripping at Muller for being "as bad as Michael Mann". No doubt they will be calling for more enquiries soon.

    You can have little sympathy for Muller who was content to bask in denialist admiration and repeat all their talking points when it suited him. He should have known that his "friends" would try to savage his reputation if he contradicted the party line. From Marc Morano's Climate Depot blog:



    The quoted physicist is Lubos Motl a dyed-in-the wool denier.

    Skeptic Talking Point Melts Away as an Inconvenient Physicist Confirms Warming - NYTimes.com

    Gavin Schmidt made this comment. Most climate scientist are amazed it is news .. it is just confirming what is already known.
    I think Muller has just been trying to safe the last bit of credibility he already had lost. If you go into bed with dogs you shouldn't wonder when you wake up with flees. Muller must know that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Greenfyres (nice to see this very good blog back in action: Global Warming is real (according to Dellingpole) « Greenfyre’s ) quotes Delingpole's reaction to BEST as a gem:



    But did not James take the lead in allegations of fraud against CRU scientists over the temperature record? If he knew the planet was warming all along, then what that fuss about? And how can Arctic Ice be "recovering" when we all know (apparently) that the planet is warming.

    The other embarrassment is that Muller's study was talked up by deniers when they thought it could be turned to their propaganda advantage. This has been brewing ever since the shock that accompanied his preliminary findings last March.

    The depths that Dellinpole plunges to can be judged by the fact that he quotes swift-boater Marc Morano as an "authority" on climate science.
    And Dr. Marlboro is an "authority" on lung cancer...
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    Solar. By all means another option for Ireland.


    Why some of the Coldest Areas have Best Solar Potential:

    According to a new study, some of the coldest geographic locations on earth have the best solar power generation potential if using photovoltaic panels.

    Some of the regions include the southern Andes and the Himalayas.

    The two main reasons why some of the coldest regions on earth have the best solar power generation potential are:

    1. They are at high altitudes, which are exposed to more sunlight.
    2. Some types of solar cells (the electricity-generating part of solar panels) generate electricity more efficiently at cold temperatures. Traditional silicon wafer solar cells are affected by heat more than others and, like all solar panels, are exposed to reasonably high temperatures all day long.


    I should also add that, according to a study, heat from solar radiation (sunlight) is what degrades solar cells as well as the transparent panels that they are protected behind, and more so than any other environmental factor by far. Heat is almost the exclusive destroyer of solar cells. Because solar cells do not exhibit any measurable degradation without much heat, it is reasonable to assume that they will last longer in colder climates.


    => Why Solar is Exploding – in Maine
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    An interesting study in PNAS by Rahmsdorf et al:
    We develop a theoretical approach to quantify the effect of long-term trends on the expected number of extremes in generic time series, using analytical solutions and Monte Carlo simulations. We apply our method to study the effect of warming trends on heat records. We find that the number of record-breaking events increases approximately in proportion to the ratio of warming trend to short-term standard deviation. Short-term variability thus decreases the number of heat extremes, whereas a climatic warming increases it. For extremes exceeding a predefined threshold, the dependence on the warming trend is highly nonlinear. We further find that the sum of warm plus cold extremes increases with any climate change, whether warming or cooling. We estimate that climatic warming has increased the number of new global-mean temperature records expected in the last decade from 0.1 to 2.8. For July temperature in Moscow, we estimate that the local warming trend has increased the number of records expected in the past decade fivefold, which implies an approximate 80% probability that the 2010 July heat record would not have occurred without climate warming.
    So another event, like the Texas drought, was added to by global warming. As expected, the evidence is mounting that climate change is playing a major part in extreme events ... while not being the singular cause, it has made those events more extreme than would be expected.

    Increase of extreme events in a warming world

    Comment at: Bombshell: Study Finds 80% Chance Russia's 2010 July Heat Record Would Not Have Occurred Without Climate Warming | ThinkProgress
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirCharles View Post
    Solar. By all means another option for Ireland.


    Why some of the Coldest Areas have Best Solar Potential:

    According to a new study, some of the coldest geographic locations on earth have the best solar power generation potential if using photovoltaic panels.

    Some of the regions include the southern Andes and the Himalayas.

    The two main reasons why some of the coldest regions on earth have the best solar power generation potential are:

    1. They are at high altitudes, which are exposed to more sunlight.
    2. Some types of solar cells (the electricity-generating part of solar panels) generate electricity more efficiently at cold temperatures. Traditional silicon wafer solar cells are affected by heat more than others and, like all solar panels, are exposed to reasonably high temperatures all day long.


    I should also add that, according to a study, heat from solar radiation (sunlight) is what degrades solar cells as well as the transparent panels that they are protected behind, and more so than any other environmental factor by far. Heat is almost the exclusive destroyer of solar cells. Because solar cells do not exhibit any measurable degradation without much heat, it is reasonable to assume that they will last longer in colder climates.


    => Why Solar is Exploding – in Maine

    Because Ireland is about the same altitude as the Himalayas.


    Earth to Watermlons. The reason that "heat is what degrades solar cells" is because they are so inefficient. When they no longer overheat will be the time when the tecnhology is economically viable.



    And the answer to the question about Maine?

    Try rebates and feed in tariffs.



    Other people's money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombo View Post

    Try rebates and feed in tariffs.
    They exist, they are therefore simply another market instrument.

    Something tells me that this weeks issue of New Scientist will be a little controversial.

    Climate change: What we do

    This might be fun.
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    I have been reading that since yesterday and have sent it to a couple of forums.
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