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    Agnotologist, your hour has come!!!

    Agnotology as a Teaching Tool: Learning Climate Science by Studying Misinformation : Stoat

    ABSTRACT: Despite the existence of a clear scientific consensus about global warming, opinion surveys find confusion among the American public, regarding both scientific issues and the strength of the scientific consensus. Evidence increasingly points to misinformation as a contributing factor. This situation is both a challenge and an opportunity for science educators, including geographers. The direct study of misinformation--termed agnotology (Proctor 2008)--can potentially sharpen student critical thinking skills, raise awareness of the processes of science such as peer review, and improve understanding of the basic science. This potential is illustrated with examples from a small, upper-division collegiate weather and climate class. Key Words: global warming, agnotology, misinformation, active learning
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    Worth keeping an eye on Hurricane Irene this weekend, though it has already hit the News bulletins.

    Jeff Masters and Governor Chris Christie of NJ (another Republican would-be President who accepts climate science) are talking about "1-in-100 year floods", and "worse than 1938", which was a real monstrosity.

    Gov. Christie on Hurricane Irene: “From a Flooding Perspective, This Could Be a 100-Year Event.” | ThinkProgress

    Dr. Jeff Masters' WunderBlog : Irene an extremely dangerous storm surge threat to the mid-Atlantic and New England : Weather Underground

    What's it got to do with climate change? Maybe something, maybe not - let's wait for the scientists to tot the statistics at the end of the season. It looks like another spectacular addition to a year of weather disasters for the USA.
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    There's been an ongoing dispute rumbling on betweeen James Annan and Roger Pielke Jnr. about the the IPCC forecasts and the meaning of its probability scale.

    If you are interested in such matters - check out John Nielsen-Gammon's blog where he gives the best exposition of the matter I have seen.

    Roger Pielke Jr.’s Inkblot | Climate Abyss | a Chron.com blog

    N-G is a climate scientists's climate scientist - he has even picked up brownie points along the way by helping Anthony Watts with his statistics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    There's been an ongoing dispute rumbling on betweeen James Annan and Roger Pielke Jnr. about the the IPCC forecasts and the meaning of its probability scale.

    If you are interested in such matters - check out John Nielsen-Gammon's blog where he gives the best exposition of the matter I have seen.

    Roger Pielke Jr.’s Inkblot | Climate Abyss | a Chron.com blog

    N-G is a climate scientists's climate scientist - he has even picked up brownie points along the way by helping Anthony Watts with his statistics.
    Yes an interesting peice thank you, of more interest to me at least is the running dialog between n-g and Pielke the senior.

    Although I would say this post from the comments section sums up the situation nicely.

    Dr. J says:
    August 25, 2011 at 11:18 am

    An excellent article, as usual Dr. n-g, I of course fully agree with both Dr.s Pielke. The problem is not whether or not human CO2 is increasing and has some effect on global temps, of course that is true and is theoretically and data based. The problem is the significance and magnitude of the effect vis a vis other myriad climate factors. And further, for the greater unwashed population that activist climatologists are trying to influence, why is that problem of such overwhelming significance that we should undertake drastic policy actions to alter it, or indeed, would those actions really do anything in human time frames we could actually see and benefit from. This is where the whole stack of cards comes down, in my opinion. In fact, I just submitted an abstract for a presentation at the annual AGU meeting in Frisco, I doubt it will be accepted, as we know how careful AGU is not to allow such things (it owuld upset the clanish Princess of China dining event), but that is the topic of it.
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    It seemed an apposite name for use on this thread!
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    How the weight of climate science swayed another skeptic

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    Scientists find evidence that Greenland's glaciers are melting faster than expected.



    => Greenland glaciers show record losses (msnbc, 22 August 2011)

    => Greenland Glacier Melting Faster Than Expected (ScienceDaily, 18 August 2011)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iarmuid View Post
    Yes an interesting peice thank you, of more interest to me at least is the running dialog between n-g and Pielke the senior.

    Although I would say this post from the comments section sums up the situation nicely.
    No opinions are unwelcome, but I thought it was game, set and match to N-G, who is as apolitical a figure as you could meet.

    But note what is being conceded here: (even by Curry, Pielke Jnr. & yer man) the greenhouse effect and the current warming. We are at what Scott Denning calls "arguing about the decimal points".The paleoclimate record, the observations and the models (in that order) all agree. Of course the science is not settled, the universe is full of surprises but we know the planet will continue to warm under the business as usual scenario.

    I hope yer man gets to make his presentation. As far as I can tell, fairly exhaustive examination of the uncertainties in the forecasts have been made but another opinion is worth hearing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirCharles View Post
    How the weight of climate science swayed another skeptic

    Thanks for posting

    Opinions of "ordinary decent apolitical scientists" who did not write scandalous e-mails, were never investigated by Congress or Steve McIntyre, and never appeared on PBS or MSNBC, are very valuable.

    Open minded people of any residual contrarianism should take note.
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