The Climate Change Debate Thread

[owedtojoy]

The contradictory weather goes on. The US's record snowfalls are being followed by one of the fastest melts ever seen.

With all the hoopla recently about record snowfalls, all-time record low temperatures, and so forth, here's a chart you're not likely to see on the ice-age monger sites. At midnight EST on February 14, the middle of February, the U.S. temperature map above shows that these are the only substantial areas in the contiguous 48 states with temperatures below 30°:

•Central Rockies
•Eastern Montana and extreme northeastern Wyoming
•Extreme northern border of Minnesota
•Northern Vermont and New Hampshire
•Non-coastal Maine

CapitalClimate

[andrejsv]

The NOAA have put together an excellent educational site on the effects of CO2 in the oceans. Highly recommended.

PMEL CO2 - Carbon Dioxide Program

See also PMEL Carbon Program: a new resource

I would rather see a study of the effects of the ocean on Atmospheric CO2. After all it is the oceans and not the miniscule human interaction that drive the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere.

[owedtojoy]

I would rather see a study of the effects of the ocean on Atmospheric CO2. After all it is the oceans and not the miniscule human interaction that drive the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere.

Are you saying that the CO2 in the atmosphere comes mainly from the ocean? And more CO2 is coming from the ocean than from human generation? Could you give a reference or some other backup for that?

[owedtojoy]

Ray Pierrehumbert is a Profesor of Geophysical Science at the University of Chicago.
He already has an e-book available on global warming, complete with Python programmes.

He recently wrote an article for Physics Today on the theory of atmospheric radiative warming. It is a must-read for anyone would like to know more about the physics of CO2 radiation.

http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/pap...odayRT2011.pdf

Here is what he has to day about "saturation", the fallacy that all the radiation emitted is absorbed by the current CO2 levels and higher levels makes no difference. The fallacy goes right back to the work of Arrhenius in the 1900s.

[owedtojoy]

Southern Africa is the latest part of the world to get its share of extreme weather, and teh attendant risk of food shortages.

Above average rainfall across many parts of Southern Africa is prompting concern “about the food security of the affected population in the poorer parts of the sub-region over the coming months,” the UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) said in a new report.

“With the rainy season still only halfway through, and with the cyclone season [in the Indian Ocean] due to peak in February, several agricultural areas along the rivers in southern African countries remain at high risk of flooding, including portions of Botswana, Lesotho, Mozambique, Namibia, Zambia, Zimbabwe and South Africa,” said the report, published on 7 February.

The Zambezi is near record levels for the 3rd time in 10 years.

IRIN Africa | SOUTHERN AFRICA: Risk of food insecurity in wake of floods | Lesotho | Madagascar | Mozambique | Swaziland | South Africa | Zambia | Zimbabwe | Economy | Food Security | Health & Nutrition | Natural Disasters | Water & Sanitation

Zamebezi nears record levels, for the 3rd time in 10 years | ClimateSignals

With all that, you can read on Jeff Masters blog that a major cyclone is currently crossing Madagascar, heading for Mozambique. It is the cyclone season, but this one will not help an already dire situation.

Wunder Blog : Weather Underground

[The Field Marshal]

The contradictory weather goes on. The US's record snowfalls are being followed by one of the fastest melts ever seen.





CapitalClimate

Another interminable graph.
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[The Field Marshal]

Southern Africa is the latest part of the world to get its share of extreme weather, and teh attendant risk of food shortages.

The Zambezi is near record levels for the 3rd time in 10 years.

IRIN Africa | SOUTHERN AFRICA: Risk of food insecurity in wake of floods | Lesotho | Madagascar | Mozambique | Swaziland | South Africa | Zambia | Zimbabwe | Economy | Food Security | Health & Nutrition | Natural Disasters | Water & Sanitation

Zamebezi nears record levels, for the 3rd time in 10 years | ClimateSignals

With all that, you can read on Jeff Masters blog that a major cyclone is currently crossing Madagascar, heading for Mozambique. It is the cyclone season, but this one will not help an already dire situation.

Wunder Blog : Weather Underground

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More interminable data about extreme but common weather events.
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[Just Jack]

It's a lie.

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[The Field Marshal]

Ray Pierrehumbert is a Profesor of Geophysical Science at the University of Chicago.
He already has an e-book available on global warming, complete with Python programmes.

He recently wrote an article for Physics Today on the theory of atmospheric radiative warming. It is a must-read for anyone would like to know more about the physics of CO2 radiation.

http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/pap...odayRT2011.pdf

Here is what he has to day about "saturation", the fallacy that all the radiation emitted is absorbed by the current CO2 levels and higher levels makes no difference. The fallacy goes right back to the work of Arrhenius in the 1900s.

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Another mind numbing highly detailed and extremely specialized technical report from owedtomisery pollutes the thread.

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[owedtojoy]

Some people would appear to prefer the "cut and thrust" of concise and relevant arguments like "Idiot!" "Turd" and "Liar!".

Those too ignorant or close minded to read what is posted need not bother.