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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnotologist View Post
    Simple idea for your simple mind. Scientists say that ice will melt when the ice is warmed. They say there will be no ice when the water is too warm to freeze. The observations in Antarctica agree that the water is warming. Observations also note the factors that are causing it to be still coolish for a few more years.

    The models are accurate in their projections when excluding the wind swirl and a couple of other little things that were not there before the warming started.

    Have you ever blown on a hot drink to cool it. Even children do that instinctively. The blow was not there to be modelled and it will not stop a low heater underneath from warming the surface in time.


    Did you ever leave your freezer door slightly open on a humid day only to find chunks of new ice formed at the gap?

    When that happens, did you conclude “Oh, my freezer is colder than usual, I wonder how that happened?”

    No. You concluded that you had left the door slightly open, some cold got out, and vapor froze on your gasket.


    Good post on this by Greg Laden. Antarctic Sea Ice and Global Warming – Greg Laden's Blog

    .... seems to be three things that can cause more of this ice.

    1. One might be the addition of fresh water to the system. That seems likely if the Antarctic glaciers are melting (which they are). Depending on where the fresh water goes, that could allow the formation of sea ice. Also, if precipitation increased in the area, that would add fresh water.
    2. Second, the area where the sea ice is forming could be colder.
    3. Third is the possibility that the disruptive effects of storms, waves, or surface currents could change, making for a calmer environment, allowing more ice formation.


    Arctic sea ice continues low; Antarctic ice hits a new high | National Snow and Ice Data Center

    It is worthwhile to spend time reading up on this because no matter what, Antarctica and the area around it are WARMING.


    Antarctic Peninsula glacier change
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    Michael Mann addresses The Amazing Meeting, held by the Randi Foundation.

    James Randi a.k.a. The Amazing Randi is a famous magician who specialises in debunking frauds e.g. he repeated all Uri Geller's "magical" feats (spoon bending etc.), then showed how they were done.

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    Interesting Guardian article on Antarctic sea ice.

    How melting glaciers (land ice) contribute to increasing sea ice:


    Why is Antarctic sea ice at record levels despite global warming? | Environment | theguardian.com
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    At 11 am to day there was a negative contribution from wind to the grid.
    Wind Generation | Eirgrid

    At the IWEA meeting in Kilkenny last Thursday the main topic was how to curtail adverse comment in the media and on the internet. It took them a long time to catch on. This explains why the wind "myres" tread was shut down by direction of the win d industry. They really did not notice how damaging the internet is to their Public Relations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnotologist View Post
    It indicates nothing of the sort, val. Other countries are now taking the same belated precautions - including Canada.
    No they are not. Canada is still building wind farms I admit, but they are not taking past in the climate change gig. In the planninf application for the North Meath 48 turbine wind farm, the developer admits they will kill bats but they have a mitigation measure to minimise the slaughter. The will cut down all the trees where the bats roost in the area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by valamhic View Post
    No they are not. Canada is still building wind farms I admit, but they are not taking past in the climate change gig. In the planninf application for the North Meath 48 turbine wind farm, the developer admits they will kill bats but they have a mitigation measure to minimise the slaughter. The will cut down all the trees where the bats roost in the area.
    I really don't know why I bother, val. You grow further from reality with every post. You linked that position to Ebola not wind farms and other countries are starting to check arrivals.

    Canada is doing a hell of a lot more than just building wind farms, btw. The federal government is not but the provinces and Municipalities are.

    And the bat problem is not new. It has, though, already been considered and steps to reduce the damage have been taken everywhere.

    Don't worry. There will be plenty for your belfry!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnotologist View Post
    I really don't know why I bother, val. You grow further from reality with every post. You linked that position to Ebola not wind farms and other countries are starting to check arrivals.

    Canada is doing a hell of a lot more than just building wind farms, btw. The federal government is not but the provinces and Municipalities are.

    And the bat problem is not new. It has, though, already been considered and steps to reduce the damage have been taken everywhere.

    Don't worry. There will be plenty for your belfry!
    Fossil fuel nuts like val bleeding all over the site in the cause of dead bats is the greatest joke since Charlie Haughey told us not to live beyond our means.

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    New report finds human-caused climate change increased severity of 2013 heat waves in Asia, Europe and Australia

    Of the five heat waves studied in the report, human-caused climate change-primarily through the burning of fossil fuels-was found to have clearly increased the severity and likelihood of those events.

    On the other hand, for other events examined like droughts, heavy rain events, and storms, fingerprinting the influence of human activity was more challenging. The influence of human-caused climate change on these kinds of events was sometimes evident, but often less clear, suggesting natural factors played a far more dominant role.



    New report finds human-caused climate change increased severity of 2013 heat waves in Asia, Europe and Australia
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    David Etzinga of the International Energy Agency talks about where the energy industry is positioned to mean the goal of massive carbon reductions by 2050.

    To summarise, renewable energies are on target, but nuclear and Carbon Capture (Coal) are not.

    There seems to be no question that

    - A broad portfolio of energy technologies is required to mitigate climate change.
    - More needs to be done to accomplish that.

    40% Drop in Solar PV Cost is Brightest Spot of Global Energy Picture | InsideClimate News
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