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    Agnotologist Agnotologist is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainwreck View Post
    Au contraire. Michael Mann is the fester of hate.

    Don't worry. We are all looking forward to the point at which "Mr Fraudipants" (I love that) can no longer prevent HIS VERY OWN AGGRESSIVE LEGAL ACTIONS landing himself in court to defend his nonsense claims, nonsense scienc,e nonsense abuse and bullying and nonsense "science".

    More power to Mark Steyn.


    Yet more fascinating fodder on this story. Gavin Schmidt insists that caling someone a "scientific fraud" is an undeniably libelous act.

    Unless of course you are Michael Mann.....

    EPA on Mann’s “Fraud” Invective « Climate Audit



    who subsequently is "exonerated" of libel (and only libel) by the EPA




    Laugh My F-ucking Arse Off!!!
    Don't do that. If you do, you will not, as SirCharles has so astutely observed, be able to bring to the light the misrepresentations you fill this thread with.

    Calling "scientific fraud," scientific fraud is not libel. Calling a scientist's peer reviewed material, "scientific fraud" is libel. Were the fraudsters, scientists, they would be expelled from the National Academy if they have attained the status to be members.

    Just as Lomborg was.
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    Here is another bit of script for anti to mull over. Note how he and his cohorts avoided my post about how Alistair Darling of Labour and Alex Salmond of the SNP toll the world they intend to extract all the remaining oil from the North Sea. This is a major revelation and proves all the talk about cuttign back on oil is lies

    Settled Science Catches Up with Steyn :: SteynOnline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnotologist View Post
    Dom't do that. If you do, you will not, as SirCharles has so astutely observed, be able to bring to the light the misrepresentations you fill this thread with.

    Calling "scientific fraud, scientific fraud" is not libel. Calling a scientist's peer reviewed material, "scientific fraud" is libel. Were the fraudsters, scientists, they would be expelled from the National Academy if they have attained the status to be members.
    Now he is telling us SirCharles has the capacity to be "astute"
    Just as Lomborg was.
    Charlie astute - quote of the week
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    Quote Originally Posted by valamhic View Post
    Anti can't get his head around the fact that the America's were only discovered in 1592, and it was many centuries before any form of records were kept. However some accounts were available from returned travellers about such things as volcano hurricanes and floods. There was no reason to lie as there was nothing to gain.
    Actually, val, I have long known when the Americas were "discovered" and it was not 1592. I have also known who discovered them long before that discovery. And all the European discoverers kept records. And all the shipping too and from the Americans kept records.

    Nothing validates the "story."

    Anyone, btw, who has to look up OED to find a definition of moron (and also not get it right) is probably an imbecile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnotologist View Post
    Actually, val, I have long known when the Americas were "discovered" and it was not 1592. I have also known who discovered them long before that discovery. And all the European discoverers kept records. And all the shipping too and from the Americans kept records.

    Nothing validates the "story."

    Right 1492, now produce you hurricane records

    Anyone, btw, who has to look up OED to find a definition of moron (and also not get it right) is probably an imbecile.
    1492 .
    Now produce you hurricane records for the 16th, and 17th, century. Fabo2 shows one extreme one in the Caribbean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by valamhic View Post
    Here is another bit of script for anti to mull over

    Settled Science Catches Up with Steyn :: SteynOnline
    Is it dementia setting in, val. We "did" Tung just a few pages back. Did you forget already. Because the Fraudster and libeler, Steyn, has now picked up on the already debunked fairy tale, does not improve its credibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by valamhic View Post
    Now produce you hurricane records for the 16th, and 17th, century
    They are in the shop's logs, dear val.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnotologist View Post
    Don't do that. If you do, you will not, as SirCharles has so astutely observed, be able to bring to the light the misrepresentations you fill this thread with.

    Calling "scientific fraud," scientific fraud is not libel. Calling a scientist's peer reviewed material, "scientific fraud" is libel. Were the fraudsters, scientists, they would be expelled from the National Academy if they have attained the status to be members.

    Just as Lomborg was.
    It's good laugh about deniers being "lovers of free speech" when both ace charlatan Monckton and denier Anthony Watts spray libel threats at anyone who contradicts them.

    The Monckton Files: Threatening Scott Mandia | Climate Asylum

    Anthony Watts is threatening to sue me – Greg Laden's Blog
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnotologist View Post
    Don't do that. If you do, you will not, as SirCharles has so astutely observed, be able to bring to the light the misrepresentations you fill this thread with.

    Calling "scientific fraud," scientific fraud is not libel. Calling a scientist's peer reviewed material, "scientific fraud" is libel. Were the fraudsters, scientists, they would be expelled from the National Academy if they have attained the status to be members.
    Well, it appears that is shaping up as the best possible defence, among many, against Mann. That Mann's work is indeed Fraudipants. It is clear that Steyn's case is building strongly in that direction. All the while aided by the fact that Mann has been lying in is pleadings to the courts. Not a wise strategy for somenoe claiming they aren't guilty of fraud, scientific or otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    It's good laugh about deniers being "lovers of free speech" when both ace charlatan Monckton and denier Anthony Watts spray libel threats at anyone who contradicts them.

    The Monckton Files: Threatening Scott Mandia | Climate Asylum

    Anthony Watts is threatening to sue me – Greg Laden's Blog
    Here is somethnig for the slow learners.

    Calling someone out for fraud, whether you are right or wrong, in no way impinges on freedom of speech. Heaven knows, Steyn's comments have done nothing to keep Mann out of the press of to limit his ability to speak his mind - however crass and abusive he is. And he is.


    On the other hand, bringing legal proceedings against someone for libel is indeed an attempt to impinge on free speech. Worse in Mann's case, he is brining it against journalists and media outlets. Trying to prevent freedom of speech in the press is even more reprehensible. That is what Mann, is trying to do.

    So what do you lads think of Mann's large and expensive stable of Big Tobacco lawyers he has had working on this like forever????
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