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    Glanshanacuirp Glanshanacuirp is offline

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    Suppose we accept that there is climate change!
    How much of it is man causing?
    Can we do anything to stop it other than delay it happening with so many people on the Planet?
    Should we reduce the population by 95 percent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glanshanacuirp View Post
    Suppose we accept that there is climate change!
    Why wouldn't we accept it? Of course climate changes.

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    How much of it is man causing?
    Probably a significant amount. In terms of percentage,
    probably double digit. Probably not most, (over 50%).

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    Can we do anything to stop it
    Why would we want to? If this were a proper flow chart,
    the question is, "Is it a problem" If Yes, then continue,
    if No, get on with your life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glanshanacuirp View Post
    other than delay it happening with so many people on the Planet?
    See the step about determining if it's a probelm or not.

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    Should we reduce the population by 95 percent?
    Wow! In terms of jumping to conclusions, that's a whopper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glanshanacuirp View Post
    Suppose we accept that there is climate change!
    How much of it is man causing?
    Can we do anything to stop it other than delay it happening with so many people on the Planet?
    Should we reduce the population by 95 percent?
    Nobody is denying that the climate tends to change...

    It's not changing so drastically that we need such a cull.

    Even if it was, who is anybody to say that killing off 95% of the population is ethical or necessary?

    The climate is fine... what are you worrying about?

    Leave well enough alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glanshanacuirp View Post
    Suppose we accept that there is climate change!
    How much of it is man causing?
    Can we do anything to stop it other than delay it happening with so many people on the Planet?
    Should we reduce the population by 95 percent?
    Actually, maybe you are being freaked out by owedtojoylesnesses copious posts predicting the end of the world is upon us because there is bad weather sometime, somewhere... (with graphs)

    Pay no heed to him, he is just pizzed off because the world hasn't ended yet in some sort of freak, weather-related disaster to prove him right all this time.

    Enjoy the glorious summer, and don't be thinking about exterminating your neighbours just because the sun is shining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glanshanacuirp View Post
    Suppose we accept that there is climate change!
    How much of it is man causing?
    Can we do anything to stop it other than delay it happening with so many people on the Planet?
    Should we reduce the population by 95 percent?
    Reducing fossil fuel emissions of greenhouse gases seems like a good idea to me, since it can still be done relatively painlessly.

    Rocket science or brain surgery, it ain't.


    IPCC - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Brilliant photograph and thanks for posting.

    But it looks to me like only one part of the tornado is touching the ground, so does it really qualify? The website I found referred to it in the singular as "a tornado".

    And even then, how often does this happen?
    More from Dr Jeff Masters on Twin Tornadoes - they are rare, but have been observed (e.g. 1965).

    The most famous case of twin tornadoes occurred on April 11, 1965, during the notorious Palm Sunday Tornado Outbreak. These twin tornadoes that hit Elkhart County, Indiana caused F-4 damage and killed 14 people. Just 45 minutes later, a second F-4 double funnel hit just two-and-a-half miles away, killing 36 people. The twin tornadoes in this image were probably not two separate tornadoes, but rather one multi-vortex tornado with two impressively large funnels. Here is a paper by Fujita et al. on the 1965 Palm Sunday outbreak, including a detailed analysis of the twin tornadoes in the photograph: http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/...98-01-0029.pdf. Unlike the Pilger twin tornadoes, the 1965 twin was a single tornado which broke down into two circulations. Image credit: Paul Huffman.

    Dr. Jeff Masters' WunderBlog : Rare Twin Tornadoes Kill Two in Nebraska | Weather Underground

    The Pilger Twins:

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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    NASA post May 2014 as the warmest ever in their records, and March-April-May as the 2nd warmest (after 2010).


    HotWhopper: The hottest May on record
    I lived through some of it and I can say definitely not in Ireland. There was 4 months of hot weather in 1976
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Reducing fossil fuel emissions of greenhouse gases seems like a good idea to me, since it can still be done relatively painlessly.

    Rocket science or brain surgery, it ain't.


    IPCC - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
    Why did you not mention wind farms?

    With the Iraqi government calling the US to bomb ISIS because they broke through the perimeter of Baiji oil refinery, all the pain seems to be happening over ownership of fossil fuel for use, not to abandon. Deluded!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gloria View Post
    Nobody is denying that the climate tends to change...

    It's not changing so drastically that we need such a cull.

    Even if it was, who is anybody to say that killing off 95% of the population is ethical or necessary?

    The climate is fine... what are you worrying about?

    Leave well enough alone.
    You see Gloria, There is no money in that. In order for scam artists to profit, they have to find a way to alter the equilibrium of the worlds economies. You do that by increasing the cost of a produce in order to encourage consumers to buy an alternative, such are wind energy. If renewables were a substitute to fossil, they would have begun to displace them by now. They don't produce power they produce energy which can't be used. But it even goes deeper than that. What they are trying is to bring about a situation where voters cannot ditch the green agenda at the Ballot box. Watch carefully and you will see that in the love of the greens is flying out the door in every country, their policies still remain. They have managed to ensnare existing politicians. Their weak spot is new politicians, because they can't know who will be elected and therefore can't buy them off. Once an existing politician becomes infected with the green bug and invests there is no changing them. They will will bring the ferver to their graves. So the only way is turf them out,
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    Quote Originally Posted by gloria View Post
    Actually, maybe you are being freaked out by owedtojoylesnesses copious posts predicting the end of the world is upon us because there is bad weather sometime, somewhere... (with graphs)

    Pay no heed to him, he is just pizzed off because the world hasn't ended yet in some sort of freak, weather-related disaster to prove him right all this time.

    Enjoy the glorious summer, and don't be thinking about exterminating your neighbours just because the sun is shining.
    Societies always had to deal with these king of scare junkies. "The end is Nigh" "Prepare to meet thy doom" "Repent, the end is Near" They never appeared in low population areas, always at the Spring Show or sea side resorts in the UK. The problem is they have a foot in the door in government and we have to think of a way to boot them out again. My method is not very fast, but works. You make it part of your daily routine socially and at work to rubbish the green agenda among the public. I don't tell lies, but I spin the facts in such a way that others will add a bit to it. I have all the farmers round here convinced that they will be putting nappies on their cows. Not allow to use their tractors etc. We must make the green agenda toxic and replace with an agenda in which science is respected.
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