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    Quote Originally Posted by valamhic View Post
    Big celebrations across rural Ireland to night. Ryan failed to get elected. Thanks very much to the Dublin electors who saw through his misinformation and stupid waste of out money. Let him run over crying on Eddie O.Connors shoulder whose bidding he was doing. He has destroyed lives, setting neighbour against neighbour. Sencere thanks to Dublin voters. Cheers
    This is good news for all of the reasonable people of Dublin who did not vote this time for this 'bicycle vendor'

    I actually did buy a bike through the tax break scheme.. Just for recreation.

    The bike is useless for work mostly.

    It is useless if..
    You have children, the roads are bad, the weather is bad, you don't have loads of time, you live a bit far from work, your work involves travelling, you have to carry tools or equipment, you are not young and fit, you have a disability. You have a pile of shopping!

    Cycling to work is grand for some people... single in the city.. That's all.

    There is a homelessness crisis is Dublin now.. nothing to do with The Green party making bedsits illegal though?

    Sorry Eamonn.. well, actually I'm not sorry.. I bet you grow your own vegetables.. yet you try to prevent people saving their own fuel..

    Is that because you hate the fact that you do not have your own bog?

    The car tax loading for older cars.. You want people to buy new cars instead of using older cars for as long as possible?

    Mental policies... carbon taxes!!

    Dublin people have denied you the opportunity to try to change the climate and charge them for it.

    Good bye and good riddance Eamonn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gloria View Post
    The bike is useless for work mostly.

    It is useless if..
    You have children, the roads are bad,
    the weather is bad, you don't have
    loads of time, you live a bit far from
    work, your work involves travelling,
    you have to carry tools or equipment,
    you are not young and fit, you have
    a disability. You have a pile of shopping!
    And if you live on my side of the pond
    they are useless in winter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gloria View Post
    This is good news for all of the reasonable people of Dublin who did not vote this time for this 'bicycle vendor'

    I actually did buy a bike through the tax break scheme.. Just for recreation.

    The bike is useless for work mostly.

    It is useless if..
    You have children, the roads are bad, the weather is bad, you don't have loads of time, you live a bit far from work, your work involves travelling, you have to carry tools or equipment, you are not young and fit, you have a disability. You have a pile of shopping!

    Cycling to work is grand for some people... single in the city.. That's all.

    There is a homelessness crisis is Dublin now.. nothing to do with The Green party making bedsits illegal though?

    Sorry Eamonn.. well, actually I'm not sorry.. I bet you grow your own vegetables.. yet you try to prevent people saving their own fuel..

    Is that because you hate the fact that you do not have your own bog?

    The car tax loading for older cars.. You want people to buy new cars instead of using older cars for as long as possible?

    Mental policies... carbon taxes!!

    Dublin people have denied you the opportunity to try to change the climate and charge them for it.

    Good bye and good riddance Eamonn.
    Somehow I do not think we have heard the last of the Green party, either here or in the UK or Europe.

    Reports of their demise have been greatly exaggerated.

    What is wildly funny is the farcical belief that the planet will stop warming, and smart investors stop investing in renewable energy, or a carbon tax becomes less necessary, when an Irish Green party candidate did not get elected.

    That is surely beyond stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Case View Post
    And if you live on my side of the pond
    they are useless in winter.
    Hatred of bicycles, wind farms and energy-saving light bulbs are a clear mark of the brain-dead radical right.

    Is bike-ism like racism? Are bicyclists in the vanguard of the culture war? What makes some people have some kind of irrational hatred for anyone on a human powered vehicle?

    http://climatecrocks.com/2014/05/26/...-of-bike-hate/
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    As with NASA, the UK Hadley Centre also see April as the 2nd warmest April ever, and the 10th warmest month on record (measured by distance from the monthly norm).


    That seems to be one hell of a heatwave in Northern Siberia.

    Quark Soup by David Appell: Hadley Centre: 2nd-warmest April; 10th-warmest Month
    Wildfires in Russian Siberia, north of Lake Baikal, caught on a NASA satellite photo.


    MODIS Website

    On May 18, 2014 the Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) aboard NASA’s Terra satellite flew over the Irkutsk region of Russia and captured this true-color image of dozens of fires filling the skies with thick gray plumes of smoke. By that date the early fire-season had progressed so rapidly that authorities had declared a state of emergency.

    Each red hotspot marks a location with the thermal bands on the MODIS instrument detected temperatures higher than background. When combined with typical smoke plumes, such hotspots indicate actively burning smalls. MODIS has been detecting small fires in Irkutsk since May 14, mostly along rivers and near farmland. The fires increased in size and intensity on May 18, according to satellite imagery.
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    Professor Barry Bickmore (a registered Republican, btw) puts it very well:

    So who is being “hysterical” and “alarmist?”

    On one hand, we have people using all the best scientific, political and economic analyses — complete with estimates of uncertainty and risk — to come up with recommendations on how to solve a pressing problem in the most cost-effective manner.

    On the other hand, we have self-proclaimed “conservatives,” supposed champions of personal responsibility, neglecting to obtain even a cursory familiarity with the best scholarship on the topic, blaming our inaction on what they assume (without evidence) China will do, extolling the unlimited capacity of humans to solve problems while excusing the present generation from even trying, and shrieking overwrought, nonsensical warnings about what serious climate action will cost.


    Deseret News: Who are the “Alarmists”? | Climate Asylum
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Great play was made by Matt Ridley of Richard Tol's work, who claimed it "proved" we will all be in clover, on the pig's back etc etc once temperature rises. Hooray for Matt Ridley!!!

    The original paper is by Richard Tol and he did make a typo and got one of his figures in the table wrong. The Hope(2000) paper should be -0.9, not 0.9 in the second last line (link below). Well, never mind,

    Even more interesting are the "Maximum" and "Minimum" columns and the "Worst-Off" and "Best-Off" regions.


    The amber lines is for Tol's chart, I added in the Best Cases and Worst Cases for the 14 papers he examined.

    What is striking is that for the Worst Case Regions, climate change works out badly at all temperature rises. In general, these are Africa and the Developing World:

    Africa 5
    Asia (w/o China) 2
    South America 2
    China 1
    Developing countries 1

    The best case regions are:

    Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union 8
    Western Europe 3
    South Asia 1

    So this paper seems to be saying that for all scenarios, climate change will be GOOD for the Northern Hemisphere of the latitude of Southern Russia northwards (but only up to about 1.5C rise), and be BAD for the Developing Counties and the BRICS (Brazil, India, China, South Africa) at all temperature rises.

    That will be the moral dilemma of climate change, and the practical one also. If, for example, climate change has a significant negative impact on the growth of the BRICS, then where is 21th century global economic growth to come from?

    And remember also - some 75% to 80% of the world's population will live in those "Worst Case Regions" in the 21st century.

    Finally, the Tol paper has been over-interpreted, and I could be accused of the same here. But it does contain some alarming indicators. Mr Ridley might have been less blinded by irrational optimism if he had paid attention.

    http://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/104.../584378270.pdf

    Quick correction to Tol (2009) | Wotts Up With That Blog

    Incidentally, the above conclusions agree with this Maplecroft map of the worst affected areas of climate change.

    Climate change Vulnerability:


    The sixth annual release of Maplecroft’s Climate Change and Environmental Risk Atlas reveals that 31% of global economic output will be based in countries facing ‘high’ or ‘extreme risks’ from the impacts of climate change by the year 2025 – a 50% increase on current levels and more than double since the company began researching the issue in 2008.

    According to the Climate Change Vulnerability Index (CCVI), which forms a central part of the Atlas, this includes 67 countries whose estimated combined output of $44 trillion will come under increasing threat from the physical impacts of more frequent and extreme climate-related events, such as severe storms, flooding or drought.

    The economic impacts of climate change will be most keenly felt by

    1. Bangladesh (1st and most at risk),
    2. Guinea-Bissau (2nd),
    3. Sierra Leone (3rd), Haiti (4th),
    4. South Sudan (5th),
    5. Nigeria (6th),
    6. DR Congo (7th),
    7. Cambodia (8th),
    8. Philippines (9th)
    9. Ethiopia (10th),


    which make up the 10 most at risk countries out of the 193 rated by the CCVI.

    However, other important growth markets at risk include:
    • India (20th),
    • Pakistan (24th)
    • Viet Nam (26th) in the ‘extreme risk’ category, in addition to
    • Indonesia (38th),
    • Thailand (45th),
    • Kenya (56th) and, most significantly,
    • China (61st), all classified at ‘high risk.’


    Maplecroft | New analysis

    If we benefit from climate change (as we may, temporarily), what are our obligations to those countries who are going to experience severe adversity because of it?

    War and nuclear holocaust were the great moral issues of the 20th century. Climate change may be the moral issue of this one.
    Others are noting the import of Richard Tol's work (which he did not highlight himself): there is no possible future temperature rise at which developing countries will see benefits!

    Tol and Lomborg should therefore be advocating a 2-for-1 or 3-for-1 strategy: if they want to help the poor of the developing world, for every coal-fired power station opened in the developing world 2 (or 3, 5 or 10) should be shut down in the developed world and replaced with an alternative that has less emissions (preferably renewable, but also possible natural gas or nuclear).


    Climate change threatens the developing world more than the developed world according to every economic model and remember in many ways [Tol's] FUND is the most optimistic of the integrated assessment models. Were Eli to believe FUND, or DICE or PAGES it is not only the Pacific islands or Bangladesh that need worry, but the almost every third world, or developing country and seriously so.

    Rabett Run: Lomborg Screws the Poors
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Again, for valhamic, which I am sure he will take with his usual good humour:

    Do you even know where that is and whose view it's spoiling?

    No?

    Thought not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Somehow I do not think we have heard the last of the Green party, either here or in the UK or Europe.

    Reports of their demise have been greatly exaggerated.
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    Indeed. I agree completely.

    They have too much money and far too pwerful vested interests behind them. We need to be vigilent against them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Others are noting the import of Richard Tol's work (which he did not highlight himself): there is no possible future temperature rise at which developing countries will see benefits!

    Tol and Lomborg should therefore be advocating a 2-for-1 or 3-for-1 strategy: if they want to help the poor of the developing world, for every coal-fired power station opened in the developing world 2 (or 3, 5 or 10) should be shut down in the developed world and replaced with an alternative that has less emissions (preferably renewable, but also possible natural gas or nuclear).


    Climate change threatens the developing world more than the developed world according to every economic model and remember in many ways [Tol's] FUND is the most optimistic of the integrated assessment models. Were Eli to believe FUND, or DICE or PAGES it is not only the Pacific islands or Bangladesh that need worry, but the almost every third world, or developing country and seriously so.

    Rabett Run: Lomborg Screws the Poors
    So if the ice on Greenland melts, will there be a land grab?
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