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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnotologist View Post
    Indeed, the temperature this morning was -23 - three degrees warmer than the record low some sixty years ago. Wind chill -39 caused by the Global Warming shift of the Polar Vortex. I have experienced much colder than that in other areas of Canada long before Global Warming became an issue.

    Ontario, btw, has a programme for planting tens of millions of new trees as part of its CO2 reduction strategy.
    So it is not global cooling, then (joke)?

    Here is the Temp map:


    And the Jet Stream over the US:

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    Quote Originally Posted by kront999 View Post
    Don't need to notice. There is no evidence linking weather extremes with global warming.
    Except for the published papers & reports you pretend do not exist ....

    http://www.ametsoc.org/2012extremeeventsclimate.pdf

    http://myweb.fsu.edu/jelsner/PDF/Res...Jagger2008.pdf

    Increasing destructiveness of tropical cyclones over the past 30[thinsp]years : Abstract : Nature

    Generally, I agree it is an area of intense study (apparently, you will not even admit to that) but the evidence is dribbling in with a yes, extreme weather activity (not just storms, but heat waves and droughts too) does increase with global warming. With more energy in the atmosphere, how could it not be the case?
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    Jon Stewart on the War Against ... well, Fox always have a war against something!

    A war against the war against carbon, that nutritious and tasty plant food.


    Andy Borowitz:

    The so-called polar vortex caused hundreds of injuries across the Midwest today, as people who said “so much for global warming” and similar comments were punched in the face.

    Authorities in several states said that residents who had made ignorant comments erroneously citing the brutally cold temperatures as proof that climate change did not exist were reporting a sharp increase in injuries to the face and head regions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Except for the published papers & reports you pretend do not exist ....

    http://www.ametsoc.org/2012extremeeventsclimate.pdf

    http://myweb.fsu.edu/jelsner/PDF/Res...Jagger2008.pdf

    Increasing destructiveness of tropical cyclones over the past 30[thinsp]years : Abstract : Nature

    Generally, I agree it is an area of intense study (apparently, you will not even admit to that) but the evidence is dribbling in with a yes, extreme weather activity (not just storms, but heat waves and droughts too) does increase with global warming. With more energy in the atmosphere, how could it not be the case?

    My results suggest that future warming may lead to an upward trend in tropical cyclone destructive potential,and—taking into account an increasing coastal population—a substantial increase in hurricane-related losses in the twenty-first century.
    Increasing destructiveness of tropical cyclones over the past 30[thinsp]years : Abstract : Nature
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Except for the published papers & reports you pretend do not exist ....

    http://www.ametsoc.org/2012extremeeventsclimate.pdf

    http://myweb.fsu.edu/jelsner/PDF/Res...Jagger2008.pdf

    Increasing destructiveness of tropical cyclones over the past 30[thinsp]years : Abstract : Nature

    Generally, I agree it is an area of intense study (apparently, you will not even admit to that) but the evidence is dribbling in with a yes, extreme weather activity (not just storms, but heat waves and droughts too) does increase with global warming. With more energy in the atmosphere, how could it not be the case?
    Approximately half the analyses found some
    evidence that anthropogenically caused climate change
    was a contributing factor to the extreme event examined, though the effects of natural fluctuations of weather and
    climate on the evolution of many of the extreme events
    played key roles as well.

    http://www.ametsoc.org/2012extremeeventsclimate.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Case View Post
    So what caused the shift in the Polar Vortex sixty years ago?
    He didn't mean it shifted 60 years ago, the words got jumbled together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aggrotologist View Post
    Wind chill -39 caused by the Global Warming shift of the Polar Vortex.
    Not "caused by," may have been caused by would be more accurate.

    Try putting your words in the correct order and use the correct words.
    Global warming may be contributing to the "polar vortex" causing frigid temperatures across most of the nation on Monday, according to some climate change researchers.
    Is global warming behind polar vortex? | TheHill

    Could the polar vortex have something to do with global warming?

    http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-0...global-warming


    NB: Neither global warming or polar vortex are proper nouns, therefore they don't require capitalisation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Case View Post
    So what caused the shift in the Polar Vortex sixty years ago?
    It didn't. Winter can be cold, steve. I thought you knew that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hogsback View Post
    It is indeed extremely cold.
    A bigger issue is the dire state of the province's finances, largely due to the 'Green Energy Act'.
    Billions have been spent on useless solar panels and windmills, with the result electricity prices have doubled in recent years and are set to double again. Can you imagine people unfortunate enough to have to heat their homes with electricity at these temperatures?
    People are literally having to go to bed wearing winter coats.
    And manufacturing is quite literally fleeing the province.

    A province of 13M people is currently around $260 Billion in debt, with annual deficits around $12 Billion.
    That's about $20,000 debt for every man, woman and child in the province - and growing, with the eco-mentalists responsible for a good chunk of it. As always the poor suffer most.
    Not a good situation.
    Rubbish every word of it except for the words you misattribute.
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    Natural variation sometimes acts with global warming, sometimes against.

    I know the extreme ignorati of denierdom think anthropogenic global warming and natural variation are mutually exclusive, but up until now I thought you were better than that.
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