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    Trainwreck Trainwreck is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnotologist View Post
    Curry, like Tol, Lomborg and the few others, are being increasingly marginalised as their commentaries become wackier each time.
    They seem to be a growing band.


    Curry, Pielke Snr, Lindzen, von Storch, Spencer, Lindzen, Christie,


    All extremely well credientialed climate scientists (TM).



    So if they are the supposed "3%" of published climate scientists who are not convinced that man is repsonsible for most of the warming to date, then there must be 230 odd published Alarmist scientists who believe the opposite (according to the "97%" meme).


    So let's start listing these 230.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainwreck View Post
    I can't even decypher what that means. But the following are pretty incontrovertible facts:




    And the actual evolution of Antarctic Sea ice - a positive trend:




    It doesn't get any plainer than that.




    Turning to the Antarctic ice sheet (i.e. the land) the same chapter of the IPCC AR3 Report said:




    And as you are posting, the ice sheet hasn't thickened. You claim it is thinning significantly. So much for IPCC "high likelihood".


    So the IPCC has been doubly wrong on the Antarctic.
    No wonder you could not decypher (sic as Earthling would say - in brackets) it. You have no clue as to what you are reading. The IPCC said "with a doubling of CO2 for the sea ice. Correctly, of course.

    For the land mass, it did thicken initially and then began to melt in parts and galciers to increase their flow. Is that si difficult for you?
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    Agnotologist Agnotologist is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainwreck View Post
    They seem to be a growing band.


    Curry, Pielke Snr, Lindzen, von Storch, Spencer, Lindzen, Christie,


    All extremely well credientialed climate scientists (TM).



    So if they are the supposed "3%" of published climate scientists who are not convinced that man is repsonsible for most of the warming to date, then there must be 230 odd published Alarmist scientists who believe the opposite (according to the "97%" meme).


    So let's start listing these 230.
    What a silly request!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainwreck View Post
    They seem to be a growing band.


    Curry, Pielke Snr, Lindzen, von Storch, Spencer, Lindzen, Christie,


    All extremely well credientialed climate scientists (TM).



    So if they are the supposed "3%" of published climate scientists who are not convinced that man is repsonsible for most of the warming to date, then there must be 230 odd published Alarmist scientists who believe the opposite (according to the "97%" meme).


    So let's start listing these 230.
    The process driving that particular "meme" among many others is simple, according to Darriulat it works at the political / science interface, ultimately corrupting and distorting the later.

    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Pierre DARRIULAT
    What we are witnessing are successive distortions of the scientific message of the AR5 report on the Physical Science Basis: first from the report to the SPM by those who wrote and/or amended the SPM, then from the SPM to the press by those who speak in the name of the IPCC (including the IPCC chairman) then from the press to the general public by green activists who too often behave irresponsibly in misrepresenting the findings of the work.
    Professor Pierre Darriulat

    The process ends at the point where extremists are left ACTUALLY believing their whack job notions (e.g. hundreds of thousand of deaths can be attributed to AGW) are supported by the "Science".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnotologist View Post
    You are almost correct. The excerpt from the BBC did not make that clear.

    However, your claim is no less scurrilous. Maslowski 'predicted 2016 +/- 3. Denial blogs and irresponsible media transformed that to 2013. I posted that bit to make it easier for you than trying to broaden your mind to take in his actual work.

    He did not say 2013. That was a "worst case" scenario.
    You are completely wrong again. It was quite clear in the article who said what - in fact Peter Wadhams comment is even highlighted in the article.

    And this is the quote from Maslowski:


    "Our projection of 2013 for the removal of ice in summer is not accounting for the last two minima, in 2005 and 2007," the researcher from the Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey, California, explained to the BBC.

    "So given that fact, you can argue that may be our projection of 2013 is already too conservative."
    BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'

    Try reading the article again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnotologist View Post
    You have no clue as to what you are reading.
    Ah now Agno that is a bit rich coming from you bearing in mind the BBC article that you completely misunderstood. Meanwhile how are you coping in Ontario?

    I hope you are not burning too many trees since you probably don't use oil, coal or gas provided by those horrible fossil fuel companies to keep your family warm?

    Warnings
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    Extreme wind chills from minus 30 to minus 40 today and tonight.

    Frigid and strong westerly winds are producing widespread dangerous wind chills of minus 30 to minus 40 today and tonight.

    Extreme caution is advised for people heading outdoors. Exposed skin may freeze in less than 5 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iarmuid View Post
    The process driving that particular "meme" among many others is simple, according to Darriulat it works at the political / science interface, ultimately corrupting and distorting the later.



    Professor Pierre Darriulat

    The process ends at the point where extremists are left ACTUALLY believing their whack job notions (e.g. hundreds of thousand of deaths can be attributed to AGW) are supported by the "Science".
    Some mothers do have 'em!

    Darriulat and the investigation:

    Energy and Climate Change committee: new inquiry: IPCC 5th Assessment Review – Stoat
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    Agnotologist Agnotologist is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iarmuid View Post
    The process driving that particular "meme" among many others is simple, according to Darriulat it works at the political / science interface, ultimately corrupting and distorting the later.



    Professor Pierre Darriulat

    The process ends at the point where extremists are left ACTUALLY believing their whack job notions (e.g. hundreds of thousand of deaths can be attributed to AGW) are supported by the "Science".
    You are just a little presumptuous, are you not? How the Hell do you know what I read. Not that it matters.

    And, what I posted about Maslowski is the fcat. He siad +/- three. You cite an answer to a question not the work. That was simply an observation on the drastic loss of ice two years later than his base for his paper.

    You still try to hang your hat on misrpresentation.

    Not that it is surprising since you have nothing else. Look it up for yourself. Do like those of us who have some integrity do. Read the paper, or at least the abstract.

    "You can argue" is not a prediction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by realist View Post
    Ah now Agno that is a bit rich coming from you bearing in mind the BBC article that you completely misunderstood. Meanwhile how are you coping in Ontario?

    I hope you are not burning too many trees since you probably don't use oil, coal or gas provided by those horrible fossil fuel companies to keep your family warm?


    Alerts for: City of Toronto - Environment Canada
    Indeed, the temperature this morning was -23 - three degrees warmer than the record low some sixty years ago. Wind chill -39 caused by the Global Warming shift of the Polar Vortex. I have experienced much colder than that in other areas of Canada long before Global Warming became an issue.

    Ontario, btw, has a programme for planting tens of millions of new trees as part of its CO2 reduction strategy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by realist View Post
    You are completely wrong again. It was quite clear in the article who said what - in fact Peter Wadhams comment is even highlighted in the article.

    And this is the quote from Maslowski:
    "Our projection of 2013 for the removal of ice in summer is not accounting for the last two minima, in 2005 and 2007," the researcher from the Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey, California, explained to the BBC.

    "So given that fact, you can argue that may be our projection of 2013 is already too conservative."
    BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'

    Try reading the article again.
    What would be the point, he has dyslexia and is senile.
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