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    Press release
    Paris: 21.12. 2013
    France: Wind power, billions of Euros of illegal overcharging?
    The European Court of Justice ( ECJ) gave its verdict on Thursday 19 December that the French tariff for purchasing wind power generated electricity represents an aid provided by French State resources.
    The "Fédération Environnement Durable" notes that this judgment confirms the decision of the "Conseil d'Etat” of France, which should logically entail the repayment of the overcharging by electricity producers who have thus benefitted since 2001.
    The mechanism for buying wind power generated electricity at a price guaranteed by the State would be open to review, probably as well as the ”Electricity Services Contribution” ( CSPE ), an illegal "electricity eco-tax" shown at the bottom of consumers’ electricity bills, the current rate of which is 4.5%, and has been increasing rapidly since 2001.
    The (FED) asks "Electricité de France" (EDF) and other producers of electricity who have received this tax since its origin to provision for the risks reimbursing consumers for the total amount of this tax including interest. The preliminary estimates of the FED indicate that this overcharging concerning wind power alone could be as much billons of Euros i.e. hundreds of Euros for an average French household.
    The FED once again declares those wind turbines, sheltering under the umbrella of ecology, are not profitable and represent an endless multibillion euro black hole for French taxpayers. They only survive thanks to the illegal charges on the bills of consumers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kront999 View Post
    The temperature hiatus



    So in less than 5 lines, what does this tell us about AGW?
    And briefly, how accurate do you think the temperature measurements were before mercury thermometers were available, considering the margin is slight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kront999 View Post
    If you get a minute, take a look at this and let us have your views.

    The big picture: 65 million years of temperature swings « JoNova

    Can anyone name a geologist who supports AGW?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Case View Post
    If you want to know what left wing liberals are up to, look at what they accuse others of doing.
    I understand what you're saying, but I'm an apolitical Englishman who doesn't judge people by their political lean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by valamhic View Post
    If you get a minute, take a look at this and let us have your views.

    The big picture: 65 million years of temperature swings « JoNova

    Can anyone name a geologist who supports AGW?
    The first graph really puts modern warming into perspective !

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    Quote Originally Posted by kront999 View Post


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    SCIENCE, Volume 276, Number 5312 Issue of 25 Apr 1997, p 544

    History of Atmospheric CO2 through geological time (past 550 million years: from Berner, Science, 1997). The parameter RCO2 is defined as the ratio of the mass of CO2 in the atmosphere at some time in the past to that at present (with a pre-industrial value of 300 parts per million). The heavier line joining small squares represents the best estimate of past atmospheric CO2 levels based on geochemical modeling and updated to have the effect of land plants on weathering introduced 380 to 350 million years ago. The shaded area encloses the approximate range of error of the modeling based on sensitivity analysis.


    ............. and life existed through all these periods!
    Life, Jim, but not as we know it.

    Modern humans only evolved in the last 1 million years (i.e. about a little sliver to the left of 0 on the chart), and agriculture only in the last 0.01 million years so that the human race has never had to endure the high temperatures of the early high CO2 eras - and fossil fuel obsessives want us all to undergo their loony experiment to see if we can.

    Even in the last 5 million years, the average planetary temperature was up to 6 degrees warmer - and it is generally accepted that human culture will have difficulty dealing with a planetary environment 2 degrees warmer than the present.

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    Happy Christmas to all, a better one that this poor guy!


    And God bless us all, everyone!
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    Did someone say that the global temperature was still rising?

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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    And God bless us all, everyone!
    Which god?
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    You are here: Home » Lawrence Solomon: For global warming believers, 2013 was the year from Hell
    LAWRENCE SOLOMON: FOR GLOBAL WARMING BELIEVERS, 2013 WAS THE YEAR FROM HELL
    Lawrence Solomon — Financial Post — December 19, 2013

    Almost everything that could go wrong did go wrong for the cause of global warming

    2013 has been a gloomy year for global warming enthusiasts. The sea ice in the Antarctic set a record, according to NASA, extending over a greater area than at any time since 1979 when satellite measurements first began. In the Arctic the news is also glum. Five years ago, Al Gore predicted that by 2013 “the entire North polar ice cap will be gone.” Didn’t happen. Instead, a deflated Gore saw the Arctic ice cap increase by 50% over 2012. This year’s Arctic ice likewise exceeded that of 2008, the year of his prediction. And that of 2009, 2010 and 2011.

    Weather between the poles has also conspired to make the global warming believers look bad. In December, U.S. weather stations reported over 2000 record cold and snow days. Almost 60% of the U.S. was covered in snow, twice as much as last year. The heavens even opened up in the Holy Land, where an awestruck citizenry saw 16 inches of snow fall in Jerusalem, almost three feet in its environs. Snow blanketed Cairo for the first time in more than 100 years.

    2013 marks the 17th year of no warming on the planet. It marks the first time that James Hansen, Al Gore’s guru and the one whose predictions set off the global warming scare, admitted that warming had stopped. It marks the first time that major media enforcers of the orthodoxy — the Economist, Reuters and the London Telegraph – admitted that the science was not settled on global warming, the Economist even mocking the scientists’ models by putting them on “negative watch.” Scientific predictions of global cooling – until recently mostly shunned in the academic press for fear of being labeled crackpot – were published and publicized by no less than the BBC, a broadcaster previously unmatched in the anthropogenic apocalyptic media. Read full article at the Financial Post here…..
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