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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Just making sure this sad message gets onto a new page.
    I am sorry to here it. I see it on the Death notice of Cunninghams funeral directors. Pat posted under username Fianna Failure he is the second to pass away, Denis Kelly "wind me Up" died about 2 years ago. Denis was against wind but did believe in climate change. Pat held a strong belief in wind and pumped storage and also believed in the AGW theory. RIP
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    Quote Originally Posted by realist View Post
    And this rant was followed by:



    That one person can spout so much venom while believing it is appropriate behaviour is quite alarming. The irony is that Hitler and Pol Pot were more than likely supported by those with a similar personality trait.
    You need a reality check. You should also learn to put context.

    And I do, indeed, equate those in power who will not act on climate change with the worst killers in history. The toll will be greater.
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    Now here's a good laugh! :) The "hiatus" is just an artifact of less than 100% temperature data coverage ....

    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Chart is the HADCRUT 9-year temperature surface temperature (ST) trends.


    Below is the GISS verson of the same chart.


    While the GISS 9-year ST trends are "noisy", the fitted line plus the 18-year and 27 year ST trends shows that the "ST trends have been trending upwards" since the 1950s. From the straight line, the trend on average increases by 0.013C/ decade every decade.

    While the 18-year ST trend has decreased, it decreased also in 1963 and 1991. The 9-year trend decreased from 1983, 1991 & 2000.

    Overall, no evidence that the pattern of the rise in global average temperature has changed for the long term.
    Two researchers have just published a paper using satellite data to estimate a hybrid temperature (adjacent ground && satellite) where there are no ground stations. Formerly these areas (like the Arctic) were ignored by HADCRUT. GISS used adjacent temperatures, which were not satisfactory.

    With the hybrid measurement, the "hiatus" so popular in the media, disappears.

    Here is a video explanation.


    Some interesting posts:

    Temperature trend over last 15 years is twice as large as previously thought

    The Disappearing Hiatus | Planet3.0

    RealClimate: Global Warming Since 1997 Underestimated by Half


    Coverage bias in the HadCRUT4 temperature series and its impact on recent temperature trends - Cowtan - Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society - Wiley Online Library

    I presume out of the combined satellite and ground station method we will see a more accurate temperature series since 1980 and a more accurate assessment of the rise due to global warming.
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    First time I have seen the problems with satellite measurement spelled out. Not that it matters for this interesting development.
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    An interesting development in hard Right Republicanism. The "Green Tea Party" breaks ranks on climate and throws its support to the development of solar power in Georgia.

    Note the drop in the costs of solar power and the comparison cost with nuclear.

    Climate Change: The Next Generation: Bloomberg: Green Tea Party Breaks Mold, Demands Freedom to Buy Solar Energy, Works Against Nuclear Power
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnotologist View Post
    First time I have seen the problems with satellite measurement spelled out. Not that it matters for this interesting development.
    Of course, we should not get prematurely credulous over the Cowtan & Way paper, it will I am sure be avidly read and critiqued by an army of scientists, including some whose work it throws into some disarray.

    For example:

    • Estimates of climate sensitivity based on the recent past will have to be revisited, like the Otto et al paper. The discrepancy between estimates from current climate and the paleoclimate may be explained.
    • Apparently, the climate models are more accurate than expected. The climate modellers, at least, will be smiling. Or will they?
    • Work that ascribed the "pause/ slowdown/ hiatus" to various factors - volcanoes, CFCs, El Nino's, ocean warming will have to be revisited.


    I am sure there are plenty of scientists out there whose emotions are running a gamut from excitement at the novelty to annoyance that they have to revisit old work in the light of new findings (probably both!). But, hey lads, that is science.

    A year or 6 months to get it all sorted out. I hope there are discussions at the American Geophysical Union Fall Meeting, coming up soon.
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    The "cosmic ray" theory of global warming gets another whack ...

    According to a paper, if the "cosmic ray origin" theory of global warming (by modulating the amount of cloud in the atmosphere) was true, the planet would be cooling not warming.

    A review of the relevance of the ‘CLOUD’ results and other recent observations to the possible effect of cosmic rays on the terrestrial climate

    A. D. Erlykin,
    T. Sloan,
    A. W. Wolfendale


    The problem of the contribution of cosmic rays to climate change is a continuing one and one of importance. In principle, at least, the recent results from the CLOUD project at CERN provide information about the role of ionizing particles in ’sensitizing’ atmospheric aerosols which might, later, give rise to cloud droplets.

    Our analysis shows that, although important in cloud physics the results do not lead to the conclusion that cosmic rays affect atmospheric clouds significantly, at least if H2SO4 is the dominant source of aerosols in the atmosphere.

    An analysis of the very recent studies of stratospheric aerosol changes following a giant solar energetic particles event shows a similar negligible effect.

    Recent measurements of the cosmic ray intensity show that a former decrease with time has been reversed.

    Thus, even if cosmic rays enhanced cloud production, there would be a small global cooling, not warming.


    A review of the relevance of the
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Two researchers have just published a paper using satellite data to estimate a hybrid temperature (adjacent ground && satellite) where there are no ground stations. Formerly these areas (like the Arctic) were ignored by HADCRUT. GISS used adjacent temperatures, which were not satisfactory.

    With the hybrid measurement, the "hiatus" so popular in the media, disappears.

    Here is a video explanation.


    Some interesting posts:

    Temperature trend over last 15 years is twice as large as previously thought

    The Disappearing Hiatus | Planet3.0

    RealClimate: Global Warming Since 1997 Underestimated by Half


    Coverage bias in the HadCRUT4 temperature series and its impact on recent temperature trends - Cowtan - Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society - Wiley Online Library

    I presume out of the combined satellite and ground station method we will see a more accurate temperature series since 1980 and a more accurate assessment of the rise due to global warming.
    OK, let's get this straight.


    They worry about the lack of coverage of surfaced based estimates so they "fill the gaps" with the satellite data and chango-presto they get a warmer trend over the last 15 years.


    What doesn't pass even my most basic sniff test is that the satellite data - in total - show an even smaller trend than HadCRUT or GISSS or any of the fudgy NDCC based temprature series.

    In fact, the RSS series has a NEGATIVE (but not statisticall significant) trend over the last 15 years.


    Talk about data manipulation.


    Let's put it this way. If RealClimate and the rest of the Alarmist industry are concerned that the station based temperature series have some material problems due to lack of coverage, let's just focus instead on the satellitwe measures - RSS and UAH.

    One show small positive trend, one show small negative trend. The most logical conclusion - no temeprature increase in the last 15 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aggrotologist View Post
    It can also be argued that Eugenics might not have been such a bad idea after all. We would have been spared the crap that is being posted today!
    From the guy who calls me a callous racist, LOL.
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