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    Talking about a civil war among denialists .... it is like the Intelligent Design anti-Evolutionists and the Young Earth Bible Thumpers (you know, the earth-is-6,000-years-old crowd). The ID-ers hoped the Bible Thumpers would just go away because of the derision they inspired, but no dice.

    Same within denialism between the ones who self-regard as scientists (Watts, Monckton, Curry, McINtyre, Singer ...) and the ones who reject the Greenhouse Gas theory in toto.

    Recently, Christopher Monckton exchanged bitter words with an anti-Greenhouse Gas fanatic named John O'Sullivan.

    The series of elementary errors he here perpetrates, delivered with an unbecoming, cranky arrogance, indicates the need for considerable elementary education on his part.

    Here, O’Sullivan characteristically but unwisely assumes that, since he is himself bottomlessly ignorant, others are as ignorant as he. As will be seen, that is not so.
    Monckton got himself embroiled with other cranks in New Zealand, who called him out as a secret ally of the notorious Jones & Mann gang, and a covert enabler of Agenda 21! Lovely!

    http://hot-topic.co.nz/a-hierarchy-of-fleas/#more-12798

    Note to deniers: Who's side are you on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by imokyrok View Post
    I'm a mostly silent reader.
    Reading out loud looks weird to onlookers.

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    I tend not to click on the thread when the last post is by earthling ecause[sic] he and his crew never have anything remotely worth imparting.
    I think you mean I don't say things you agree with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnotologist View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by SidCharles View Post
    You're calling me a liar. I suppose you have a good argument for that slander. I'm excited to read your substantiation.
    No need, you already know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    BBC News: CO2 atmospheric concentration passed the 400ppm mark, measured at Mauna Loa, Hawaii.

    BBC News - Carbon dioxide passes symbolic mark
    I'll be happy when CO2 passes 450ppm and even happier if warming doesn't accelerate.


    Atmospheric CO2 for April 2013
    Preliminary data as of May 2, 2013
    (Mauna Loa Observatory: Scripps CO2 Pro
    Are you ready for a 400 ppm world?

    Latest reading: 399.73 ppm

    CO2 concentration on May 9, 2013*

    Special note on today's reading
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    kront999 asserts that that the Russian 2010 was not due to human-induced climate change - based solely on the evidence of a model, and one that does not agree with statistical observations.

    I love it when two deniers contradict each other.
    Again what have I have denied! Pray tell. Your telling porkies
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirCharles View Post
    Quite inappropriate to answer a peer-reviewed study with an opinion piece.
    Not just any ole opinion

    Sir Brian has been an effective ambassador for the use of meteorology in government, industry and society. He has contributed to developing environmental science in the UK and internationally. His group at the University of Reading has expanded to become one of the largest Meteorology departments in the world.[citation needed] Over the last four years Sir Brian has been instrumental in establishing the Grantham Institute for Climate Change at Imperial College London, as an important centre for climate change research. He has been Council member for the Natural Environment Research Council[3] that funds and supports most of the environmental research in the UK, and has held numerous roles for the Met Office,[4] most recently as non-executive director and Chairman of the Scientific Advisory Board.

    He has made major contributions to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change[5] scientific assessments (the work of the IPCC, including the contributions of many scientists, was recognised by the joint award of the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize). He contributed to the Stern review of the economics of climate change and was also a member of the Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution which recommended that the UK should aim for a 60% reduction in emissions of carbon dioxide by 2050. More recently he was appointed to the Government's new Climate Change Committee,[6] which has been highly influential in the Government's decision to commit to an 80 percent reduction in greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.[7]
    B.A. (1st Class Honors) and Ph.D. in mathematics from the University of Cambridge, UK, in 1966 and 1970, respectively.
    Reader in atmospheric modelling (1976–1981) and professor of meteorology (1981–present) at the University of Reading, UK.
    Head of the Department of Meteorology (1990–1996) at the University of Reading, UK.
    President of the Royal Meteorological Society (1998–2000).
    Royal Society council member (1999–present) and research professor (2001–present).
    First Director of Grantham Institute at Imperial College London (2008–present).

    Brian Hoskins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Quote Originally Posted by kront999 View Post
    Again what have I have denied! Pray tell. Your telling porkies
    Just that you accept the result of models when they tell you what you want to hear ..... and your partner-in-denial Trainwreck rejects them when they tell him what he does not want to hear.

    Just another incoherent day in denial-land ... spasmodic, knee-jerk, desperate clasping at any feeble excuse ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kront999 View Post
    Not just any ole opinion

    Sir Brian has been an effective ambassador for the use of meteorology in government, industry and society. He has contributed to developing environmental science in the UK and internationally. His group at the University of Reading has expanded to become one of the largest Meteorology departments in the world.[citation needed] Over the last four years Sir Brian has been instrumental in establishing the Grantham Institute for Climate Change at Imperial College London, as an important centre for climate change research. He has been Council member for the Natural Environment Research Council[3] that funds and supports most of the environmental research in the UK, and has held numerous roles for the Met Office,[4] most recently as non-executive director and Chairman of the Scientific Advisory Board.

    He has made major contributions to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change[5] scientific assessments (the work of the IPCC, including the contributions of many scientists, was recognised by the joint award of the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize). He contributed to the Stern review of the economics of climate change and was also a member of the Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution which recommended that the UK should aim for a 60% reduction in emissions of carbon dioxide by 2050. More recently he was appointed to the Government's new Climate Change Committee,[6] which has been highly influential in the Government's decision to commit to an 80 percent reduction in greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.[7]
    B.A. (1st Class Honors) and Ph.D. in mathematics from the University of Cambridge, UK, in 1966 and 1970, respectively.
    Reader in atmospheric modelling (1976–1981) and professor of meteorology (1981–present) at the University of Reading, UK.
    Head of the Department of Meteorology (1990–1996) at the University of Reading, UK.
    President of the Royal Meteorological Society (1998–2000).
    Royal Society council member (1999–present) and research professor (2001–present).
    First Director of Grantham Institute at Imperial College London (2008–present).

    Brian Hoskins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The Argument from Authority is the most fallacious and feeble argument of them all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    BBC News: CO2 atmospheric concentration passed the 400ppm mark, measured at Mauna Loa, Hawaii.

    BBC News - Carbon dioxide passes symbolic mark
    Peter Gleick spells it out ... the last time there was this much CO2 in the atmosphere ....

    • Global average temperatures were 3 to 4 degrees C warmer than today (5.4 to 7.2 degrees F).
    • Polar temperatures were as much as 10 degrees C warmer than today (18 degrees F).
    • The Arctic was ice free.
    • Sea level was between five and 40 meters higher (16 to 130 feet) than today.
    • Coral reefs suffered mass die-offs.

    The Last Time Atmospheric CO2 was at 400 parts per million Humans Didn’t Exist – Significant Figures by Peter Gleick

    See also: Pliocene Warmth, Polar Amplification, and Stepped Pleistocene Cooling Recorded in NE Arctic Russia
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