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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainwreck View Post
    It is a valid question. You can't simply point to an event and declare it to be an outlier and proof of some particular cause (in this case human caused warming)


    If this isn't part of a more extensive and reliable set of data on sea ice cracks, then I will just look on it as an interesting curio from nature of no further significance.
    And you have done an extensive literature search to back this up .... I suppose ....

    Definitely Dunning-Kruger. You are so ignorant of the topic of sea ice that you rank your own flatulent pronouncements infinitely higher than they are worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aggrotologist View Post
    Stupid shortsightedness again.
    Don't worry, you still have time to recover from it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aggrotologist View Post
    We would be in the same place as now except that we would have given up the unsustainable practises earlier and be wel[sic] on the way to a carbon neutral world
    The "same place as now" is here and now, it's impossible to be in two different places at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthling View Post
    Who denies climate?

    What is climate denial?

    Does anyone deny that climate exists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by imokyrok View Post
    [video=youtube;][A silly video][/video]
    Do they deny climate?

    What is climate denial?

    Does anyone deny that climate exists?
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    Winter weather has killed a million Brits since the 1980s and will kill a million more by 2050, experts have warned. Age support groups and doctors blame poor housing, high energy bills and pensioner poverty. Many killed by the cold are elderly but the ill, vulnerable and very young also die. A total of 973,000 people died due to winter weather from 1982/83 to 2011/12, Office of National Statistics data for England and Wales shows. ONS data shows another million Brits will be killed by winters by 2050, based on the average of 27,400 cold weather deaths per winter in the last five years. --Alastair Grant, Daily Star, 3 March 2013



    Britain’s relentless big freeze has sparked fears of the highest winter death rate for five years. The brutal Arctic blast has seen temperatures plummet to -13C (9F) amid what could be the coldest March for almost three decades. Pensioner groups warned the death rate among Britain’s elderly has already soared this winter with fears it could hit 30,000 – 6,000 more than last year. The National Federation of Occupational Pensioners (NFOP) said deaths among its members had more than quadrupled since the end of last year. --Nathan Rao, Daily Express, 13 March 2013



    This is what mass green hysteria without science causes
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    Quote Originally Posted by imokyrok View Post
    This means nothing: I had an egg for my breakfast. It fifty thousands people (10,000) sceintists band together and tell the world that I did not have a an egg for my breakfast, that does not change the fact that I did.

    I 100,000 people band together ( 25,000) sceintists ) issue a report right now that I did have an egg for my breakfast, that has no bearing on whether I did or not. Unless some evidence exists to prove the yes or no. If you are standing on London Bridge at 4 pm tomorrow and suddenly everyone jumps into the river and die horrible deaths, police men, doctors, scientists, the prime minister, buss drivers. All jump in and then all that is left is you alone. You can do 2 things , you too can jump in or you can do as I would, walk off home and watch the TV news. Its that simple.

    The climate change debate is based on assumptions. These assumptions did not agreed on ways to measure the effects, the effect that plants would have in absorbing CO2. They set off tonmake money abating carbon without putting a price on carbon. Now we have our environment destroyed by turbines which do nothing and people are dying from freezing cold because fuel is so expensive to """"""" you guessed it """"""" to Prevent global warming. And they freezing to death. Mad
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    Quote Originally Posted by valamhic View Post
    Winter weather has killed a million Brits since the 1980s and will kill a million more by 2050, experts have warned. Age support groups and doctors blame poor housing, high energy bills and pensioner poverty. Many killed by the cold are elderly but the ill, vulnerable and very young also die. A total of 973,000 people died due to winter weather from 1982/83 to 2011/12, Office of National Statistics data for England and Wales shows. ONS data shows another million Brits will be killed by winters by 2050, based on the average of 27,400 cold weather deaths per winter in the last five years. --Alastair Grant, Daily Star, 3 March 2013



    Britain’s relentless big freeze has sparked fears of the highest winter death rate for five years. The brutal Arctic blast has seen temperatures plummet to -13C (9F) amid what could be the coldest March for almost three decades. Pensioner groups warned the death rate among Britain’s elderly has already soared this winter with fears it could hit 30,000 – 6,000 more than last year. The National Federation of Occupational Pensioners (NFOP) said deaths among its members had more than quadrupled since the end of last year. --Nathan Rao, Daily Express, 13 March 2013



    This is what mass green hysteria without science causes
    What sort of third world developing country is Britain?

    Catastrophists will assure you that Glowbull warming causes the cold to rush down from the Arctic, therefore Glowbull warming is the main cause of removing the dead wood from British society.
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    Apparently, a circus calling itself "Climategate 3" just ambled through town, but not many noticed.

    ... except William Connolley for one:

    This caused massive excitement in the denialosphere for a day, but now everyone has quietly forgotten it. You can tell its a damp squib because the only even vaguely “mainstream” news report of it that WUWT can find is a blog piece by James Delingpole, a man so unimportant I haven’t even bothered call him a tosser.
    Climategate 3.0? – Stoat

    Gavin Schmidt did bother to find out the volume of web searches for "Climategate" since 2009. Ahem, not good news for deniers then ....

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    A Renewable New York State



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    Abstract

    This study analyzes a plan to convert New York Stateís (NYSís) all-purpose (for electricity, transportation, heating/cooling, industry) energy infrastructure to one derived entirely from wind, water, and sunlight (WWS) generating electricity and electrolytic hydrogen. Under the plan, NYSís 2030 all-purpose end-use power would be provided by

    10% onshore wind (4020 5-MW turbines),
    40% offshore wind (12,700 5-MW turbines),
    10% concentrated solar (387 100-MW plants),
    10% solar-PV plants (828 50-MW plants),
    6% residential rooftop PV (~5 million 5-kW systems),
    12% commercial/government rooftop PV (~500,000 100-kW systems),
    5% geothermal (36 100-MW plants), 0.5% wave (1910 0.75-MW devices),
    1% tidal (2600 1-MW turbines),
    and 5.5% hydroelectric (6.6 1300-MW plants, -
    of which 89% exist).

    The conversion would reduce NYSís end-use power demand ~37% and stabilize energy prices since fuel costs would be zero. It would create more jobs than lost because nearly all NYS energy would now be produced in- state. NYS air pollution mortality and its costs would decline by ~4000 (1200-7600) deaths/yr, and $33 (10-76) billion/yr (3% of 2010 NYS GDP), respectively, alone repaying the 271 GW installed power needed within ~17 y, before accounting for electricity sales. NYSís own emission decreases would reduce 2050 U.S. climate costs by ~$3.2 billion/yr.

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    An important concern to address in a clean-energy economy is whether electric power demand can be met with WWS supply on a minutely, daily, and seasonal basis. Previous work has described multiple methods to match renewable energy supply with demand and to smooth out the variability of WWS resources (Delucchi and Jacobson, 2011). Such methods include

    (A) combining geographically-dispersed WWS resources as a bundled set of resources rather than separate resources and using hydroelectric or stored concentrated solar power to balance the remaining load;

    (B) using demand-response management to shift times of demand to better match the availability of WWS power;

    (C) over-sizing WWS peak generation capacity to minimize the times when available WWS power is less than demand and provide power to produce heat for air and water and hydrogen for transportation and heat when WWS power exceeds demand;

    (D) integrating weather forecasts into system operation;

    (E) storing energy in batteries or other storage media at the site of generation or use; and

    (F) storing energy in electric-vehicle batteries for later extraction (vehicle-to-grid).

    ...


    That's what I would call independence from fossil fuels. But I'm sure we're having contributors here who don't want that.
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    US: Nearly 4 times as many WARM weather records as COLD weather records in last 12 months

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