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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    Just caught the end of interview with Eamonn Ryan on PK show. Solution to when the wind doesn't blow in Ireland - we'll be linked to the European grid which will shut down freezers in Germany to supply our power - maybe he should be negotiating with ECB
    If this howling gale continues outside my window, the Germans won't have to worry about their frozen wienerschnitzel.
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    Windy or what?

    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    Just caught the end of interview with Eamonn Ryan on PK show. Solution to when the wind doesn't blow in Ireland - we'll be linked to the European grid which will shut down freezers in Germany to supply our power - maybe he should be negotiating with ECB
    We've had enough strong winds over the past 3 weeks to power the whole world's wind generators.
    Thankfully it dropped yesterday, and we're keeping our fingers Xed that it doesn't come back until next year.
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    Well, no one saw THIS coming:

    A Republican legislator from Heber City, Kraig Powell, has submitted a bill to the Utah State Legislature that… (drumroll)… assumes the possibility of human-caused climate change. The point of the bill (HB77) is to allow state land managers to consider human-caused climate change when developing plans to deal with wildfire mitigation. Yes, they apparently need the Legislature to give them permission.
    Utah Republican Legislator Floats Climate Change Bill…!!! Climate Asylum

    Regarding wildfires in the US, Tamino has a good post on same:



    Where there’s a Will … theres a way to distort the truth | Open Mind

    Willful Ignorance | Open Mind
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    Record January warmth and moisture fueling April-like severe weather

    Dr Jeff Masters had posted this blog on the above topic when there were reports of a massive freak storm in the Southern US.

    http://www.wunderground.com/blog/Jef...s/article.html

    A sprawling storm system has brought havoc to a swathe of the US South, leaving two people dead and thousands of households without electricity.

    One person died when an apparent twister hit the state of Georgia, overturning cars on a motorway.
    BBC News - Storms leave two dead in Georgia and Tennessee

    Early in the year for tornadoes, but apparently some are being reported already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthling View Post
    Polar bear expert barred by global warmists - Telegraph

    ... The chairman, Dr Andy Derocher, a former university pupil of Dr Taylor's, ...

    Polar Bears And Global Warming

    ... Dr. Andy Derocher, a former university student of Dr Taylor's, frankly ...





    But let's not forget how catastrophists like Skepticalseance see it:




    I'm sure they're much better informed than the polar bear study groups.
    Have you bothered to read what the Polar Bear Survy Group does say? It is not what Taylor says.

    For Derocher, read his own words. He was not a student of Taylor`s
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnotologist View Post
    Have you bothered to read what the Polar Bear Survy Group does say? It is not what Taylor says.

    For Derocher, read his own words. He was not a student of Taylor`s
    The tabular version of the SkS chart is here, at the site of the Polar Bear Study Group. However, it seems to be 2 years old.

    Summary of polar bear population status per 2010

    Everyone seems to agree that the world population of polar bears is 20,000 to 25,000. However to say that has not changed in 4 years is not very satisfactory. Do they mean it could have dropped by up to 1/5th (5,000 bears), or gone up by the same number, and they would not have noticed?

    Most of the detailed studies also seem to be years old. It seems, no one really has a clue about whether polar bear numbers are increasing or not. But since the bears depend on the ice to fish from, then if the ice goes, they will go too.

    The site turned up this paper by Stirling and Derocher. Effects of climate warming on polar bears: a review of the evidence

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    Climate warming is causing unidirectional changes to annual patterns of sea ice distribution, structure, and freeze-up. We summarize evidence that documents how loss of sea ice, the primary habitat of polar bears (Ursus maritimus), negatively affects their long-term survival. To maintain viable subpopulations, polar bears depend on sea ice as a platform from which to hunt seals for long enough each year to accumulate sufficient energy (fat) to survive periods when seals are unavailable. Less time to access to prey, because of progressively earlier breakup in spring, when newly weaned ringed seal (Pusa hispida) young are available, results in longer periods of fasting, lower body condition, decreased access to denning areas, fewer and smaller cubs, lower survival of cubs as well as bears of other age classes and, finally, subpopulation decline toward eventual extirpation. The chronology of climate-driven changes will vary between subpopulations, with quantifiable negative effects being documented first in the more southerly subpopulations, such as those in Hudson Bay or the southern Beaufort Sea. As the bears' body condition declines, more seek alternate food resources so the frequency of conflicts between bears and humans increases. In the most northerly areas, thick multiyear ice, through which little light penetrates to stimulate biological growth on the underside, will be replaced by annual ice, which facilitates greater productivity and may create habitat more favorable to polar bears over continental shelf areas in the short term. If the climate continues to warm and eliminate sea ice as predicted, polar bears will largely disappear from the southern portions of their range by mid-century. They may persist in the northern Canadian Arctic Islands and northern Greenland for the foreseeable future, but their long-term viability, with a much reduced global population size in a remnant of their former range, is uncertain.
    Effects of climate warming on polar bears: a review of the evidence - Stirling - 2012 - Global Change Biology - Wiley Online Library
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    Just caught the end of interview with Eamonn Ryan on PK show. Solution to when the wind doesn't blow in Ireland - we'll be linked to the European grid which will shut down freezers in Germany to supply our power - maybe he should be negotiating with ECB
    Yes, I heard that interview, It seems that this Eamonn Ryan has organised some very important people to come to Ireland to meet in the Burren Art School to discuss global warming/climate change.

    Some of his ideas are to fill Ireland with wind-farms to sell energy to Europe, when the wind doesn't blow perhaps we could swap some of their nuclear energy, or else the Germans could turn off their freezers and fridges for half an hour or so... according to Eamonn that would be fine and the food won't spoil.

    He stressed that Obama's top adviser and the top 'climate' scientists in the world would be attending (lots of name dropping)
    He seems to like the idea that Ireland will become an important venue for the 'climate change/global warming' think-tanks.

    I think Eamonn Ryan was part of the failed Green Party that was in government with FF for a few years.

    I missed the bit about who is paying the flights, fees and hotels for the guests/speakers for this conference.

    I also missed the bit about the quango that is organising this party.

    Fair play to Pat Kenny, he pointed out that our planet hasn't got any warmer in the last 17 years...'no need to panic, calm down.'

    Am not sure if Eamonn Ryan is getting involved in this on a voluntary basis because he loves our planet, or is it just another way of figuring out how to tax us for air?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    Just caught the end of interview with Eamonn Ryan on PK show. Solution to when the wind doesn't blow in Ireland - we'll be linked to the European grid which will shut down freezers in Germany to supply our power - maybe he should be negotiating with ECB
    Oh yeah, Eamonn Ryan also tried to speak for me during that interview.
    He said that people who have been around for a while have all noticed the change in the weather that we have been having..

    We have had storms, cold and warm weather, hurricanes in other parts of the world, droughts and flooding on the earth, fires in Australia etc.. he said that we can sense climate change...

    Eh, NO Eamonn.. there has always been weather.. all over the world.

    There is obviously climate change, the climate changes the whole time, always has done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gloria View Post
    Oh yeah, Eamonn Ryan also tried to speak for me during that interview.
    He said that people who have been around for a while have all noticed the change in the weather that we have been having..

    We have had storms, cold and warm weather, hurricanes in other parts of the world, droughts and flooding on the earth, fires in Australia etc.. he said that we can sense climate change...

    Eh, NO Eamonn.. there has always been weather.. all over the world.

    There is obviously climate change, the climate changes the whole time, always has done.
    If you mean weather is climate "noise", then no problem.

    But climate, as the 30-year average of weather IS changing, and in the direction you would expect from anthropogenic global warming. I agree the science is not all in yet, but there is certainly enough to say this case of climate change happening more rapidly than expected is getting stronger.

    • Australia goes from a record heat wave to record rainfall in the space of a week (2013).
    • The UK goes from a drought to record flooding in the space of a few months (2012).
    • The record lowest ever Arctic Ice melt (2012)
    • The largest every extra-tropical Atlantic storm (2012)
    • 3rd largest record acreage of wildfires in USA (2012)
    • Record Spring heat in USA, and its hottest year every recorded (2012).
    • Rise of worldwide food prices, due (at least partly) to adverse weather events.
    • The 14 warmest years ever recorded (by global average) have all occurred since 1998.
    • Continual recession of most glaciers, summer snow pack, Greenland ice cap, West Antarctic Ice Pack.
    • Continued rise in sea level.


    Looking over the last 30 years the hottest temperatures, lowest ice, highest rainfall, all the things you expect global warming to trigger, are all happening in the more recent years.

    IMHO, Eamonn Ryan was only stating the obvious. I expect the IPCC report, due later in the year, will confirm his intuition.
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    The east coast of Australia has been drenched by floods and torrential rains, even as recent bush fires affecting much of the country continued to burn. Four people are known to have died as Australians get a further taste of extreme weather that is predicted to become more common as the planet warms.

    New Scientist: Climate change blamed for Australia's extreme weather

    The deluge came as a storm that started as tropical cyclone Oswald just north of Australia was dragged south over most of the east coast by a low-pressure system extending all the way to New South Wales, says Richard Wardle of the Bureau of Meteorology in Queensland. As it hit land, Oswald lost its cyclone status but remained a "vigorous" storm, Wardle says.
    Climate change blamed for Australia's extreme weather - environment - 29 January 2013 - New Scientist
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