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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Case View Post
    Poor babies! people don't believe your message any more. Those evil corporations are to blame.
    LOL, and they talk about us being the conspiracy theorists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Case View Post
    It all requires positive feedbacks, and there isn't any evidence for it.
    CO2 is up 40% and temperatures are up less than a degree Celsius.
    You guys go on and on about the "Pipeline" but it doesn't seem to be
    happening the way you want.
    As usual, you are fudging the figures to give the answers you want.

    Take Transient Climate Sensitivity = Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity/ 2 = ~1.5C

    The TCS is the change in earth's average temperature over a short period in response to a doubling of CO2, where the ECS is the long term sensitivity that brings the earth's energy budget into equilibrium, something that will take hundreds to thousands of years.

    Delta-T = (TCS) * ln(New CO2 Conc/Old CO2 Conc)/Ln(2) [See page 36 of David Archer's Global Warming: Understanding the Forecast]

    Lets say that CO2 concentration has gone from 260mm to 400ppm, a change by a factor of 1.54.

    The change in Temperature in the short term, due to CO2 increase, is (1.5)*ln(1.5)/Ln(2) = 0.93C

    That will be affected by other greenhouse gases, and by volcanic dust, oceanic cycles and sulphate aerosols. But it is in the ballpark of what we are seeing.

    Professor John Nielsen-Gammon explains this in the link I posted for you, but he used too many big words for your brain.

    Carbon Dioxide and Temperature | Climate Abyss | a Chron.com blog
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Look at it this way.
    Yes, let's.

    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Earthman is a minor irritant.
    That's a relief.

    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    There is no fear of him ever convincing anyone of anything.
    But there is that you will???

    Please don't make me laugh too much, it hurts the dementure that Chas has decided I'm suffering with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirCharles View Post
    I'm only telling what I'm realising.
    What is your first language, Urdu?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirCharles View Post
    Well. Sometimes I like a bit of sport.
    Tell me, what's it like being the ball?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Case View Post
    It all requires positive feedbacks, and there isn't any evidence for it.
    CO2 is up 40% and temperatures are up less than a degree Celsius.
    You guys go on and on about the "Pipeline" but it doesn't seem to be
    happening the way you want.
    I wonder how many of them bought into a pyramid scheme, because my guess is that most alarmists are simply gullible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Even Grover Norquist, the Messiah of the No-Tax Pledge seems to be weakening on Carbon Tax.

    Grover Norquist Abruptly Changes Position On Carbon Tax After Facing Criticism From Koch-Backed Group | ThinkProgress
    Update: Obviously the fossil fuel guys pulled in on Grover's chain. Poor guy!

    “There is no conceivable way to add an energy or [value-added tax] to the burdens American taxpayers face that would not violate the pledge over time,” he said in a statement Tuesday.

    Norquist appeared to be backing off comments he made to National Journal in a story published Nov. 12. He told the publication that he opposes a carbon tax, but said that coupled with income tax cuts it could be structured in a way that didn’t violate the pledge.
    Grover Norquist Update: I Didn’t Mean it. Climate Denial Crock of the Week

    Norquist, like a lot of others deniers, is like Wiley Coyote running on empty air, until he realises there is nothing underneath him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirCharles View Post
    Of course it's inevitably in the pipeline.

    And it's definitely not "the way" we "want".
    IF 'whatever' is inevitable, it's what you'll* get, so tough.


    * Probably not you, because you don't have that long to live, so stop whining and enjoy the little time you have left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Case View Post
    Oh yes the 30 year lag time. Barry usually says 40 years.
    Over the last 160 years CO2 is up 40% and temperatures
    are up less than a degree. How much time do you guys need?
    They'll all die waiting for their version of the Rapture.

    Rapture - What is the Rapture?
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