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    Steve Case Steve Case is offline
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    Here's an interesting You Tube:

    Climate Change In Presidential Debates Since 1988

    Too bad a State of the Union montage hasn't been made,
    I was thinking of the 2010 speech when President Obama
    was laughed at when he brought up the topic.
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    More on the science, that at every turn is not cast iron in the least:

    http://rankexploits.com/musings/2012...-in-the-night/

    So of these two papers, Wigley2006 offers a climate sensitivity but fails to reconcile to the measured flux data. Soden2002 does seek to match the observed flux data but does not report on the implied climate sensitivity.

    I am now sufficiently cynical about mainstream climate science to believe that the reason for the non-barking dogs in the two cases is the same. I will show that you cannot get a reasonable match to the flux and temperature data with a high [equilibrium climate sensitivity]. Wigley would have had to show a serious mismatch with the flux data, and Soden would have had to report and explain the politically incorrect, low, climate sensitivity implied by his match of the flux data.
    The theory [models] just doesn't match real world observations and scientists who are supposed to relish finding such contradictions bury them instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainwreck View Post
    The theory [models] just doesn't match real world observations and scientists who are supposed
    to relish finding such contradictions bury them instead.
    I'm not going to pretend I understand all the papers you referenced, but I do understand and can
    concur that it looks like climate scientists pick and choose what corrections to make what ones to
    ignore based on how it affects the theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    So it's "alarmist" even to write the word climate now?
    Only when written by an alarmist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    I take that back ... it is not without merit and I have started to look at sea level rise myself. However, I do think it is simplistic, and you started with a bias that you duly confirmed. "Confirmation bias" happens to us all.

    Ok, my challenge to you is this: submit your work for peer review.

    That is how scientific work gets evaluated. Or even send it to Anthony Watts and see if he will post it online.
    Please point me to where your sea level rise work, or any of your work has been peer reviewed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    So you slag off Evangelical Christians when they are scientists, and praise them to skies if and only if they also deny climate change, like our old friend Dr Roy Spencer.
    Show me where I've slagged off "Evangelical Christians," or praised them to the skies?
    You have a vivid imagination, which you should urgently make a serious effort to contain.

    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Shows how biased and prejudiced you are against anyone who dissents from your political agenda.
    Blah, blah, blah.
    Last edited by Earthling; 23rd October 2012 at 04:27 PM. Reason: spelling correction
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Case View Post
    Here's an interesting You Tube:

    Climate Change In Presidential Debates Since 1988

    Too bad a State of the Union montage hasn't been made,
    I was thinking of the 2010 speech when President Obama
    was laughed at when he brought up the topic.
    I always thought Dubya was stupid and haven't changed my mind, but if nothing else, he at least got Glowbull warming right, probably by accident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthling View Post
    I always thought Dubya was stupid and haven't changed my mind,
    but if nothing else, he at least got Glowbull warming right, probably
    by accident.
    Dubya has a mouth full of marbles, that's for sure, but he's not stupid.
    He has several hundred hours flying military jets, that's not for dummies.

    The U.S. media paints all Republicans as stupid. Surely you must
    recognize that fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Case View Post
    I'm not going to pretend I understand all the papers you referenced, but I do understand and can
    concur that it looks like climate scientists pick and choose what corrections to make what ones to
    ignore based on how it affects the theory.
    You don't need to inderstand them, Steve. You just have to consider the author of the silly criticism and his "qualifications." The DK paper he references, and does not try to refute, is the one t6hat has been referred to by many scientists as the worst science paper ever written.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Case View Post
    Dubya has a mouth full of marbles, that's for sure, but he's not stupid.
    He has several hundred hours flying military jets, that's not for dummies.

    The U.S. media paints all Republicans as stupid. Surely you must
    recognize that fact.
    "Not all conservatives are stupid people, but all stupid people are conservative."

    J.S. Mill.

    I have always thought Mill was too generous.
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