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    owedtojoy owedtojoy is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthling View Post
    Who cares, just read this and don't forget to

    A Climate of Change: Global Warming Facts for Faith-Based Decisions

    A book by Andrew Farley and Katherine Hayhoe, published by Faithwords in 2009.
    So you slag off Evangelical Christians when they are scientists, and praise them to skies if and only if they also deny climate change, like our old friend Dr Roy Spencer.

    Shows how biased and prejudiced you are against anyone who dissents from your political agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    I take that back ... it is not without merit and I have started to
    look at sea level rise myself.
    Use the data available at the Permanent Service for Mean Sea Level
    if you just look at Church & White data you won't get anything other
    than the answers you already have.

    I think you said you were Excel literate, but if I'm wrong about that,
    don't hesitate to use Mr. Excel they help anybody and they provide
    expert help free of charge within minutes.

    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    However, I do think it is simplistic, and you started with a bias
    that you duly confirmed. "Confirmation bias" happens to us all.
    Oh I have a bias alright, no doubt about it. So I have to ask myself,
    "Is this really right?" before I post stuff. Sometimes I shoot from
    the hip, but usually I try to provide a reference to something that
    guys from your side of things aren't likely to dismiss out of hand.
    NOAA comes to mind. It's best when the reference has actual data
    that can be analyzed independently from what I've come up with.

    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Ok, my challenge to you is this: submit your work for peer review.
    Well, that's not going to happen.

    Regarding the deceleration of sea level rise I don't have to, the
    guy who maintains the CU Sea Level Research Group's chart wrote
    that pdf Power Point presentation I linked to a few month's back:


    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    That is how scientific work gets evaluated.
    Among scientists maybe, but in the public arena it's what the media
    says that holds sway. I suppose you can argue that the peer reviewed
    journals ARE media if you want.

    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Or even send it to Anthony Watts and see if he will post it online.
    I have had a few things posted on some of the blogs. And I've had
    some bloggers read stuff I write on forums and they've sent me e-mail
    as a result [fan mail?] but it hasn't come to anything much.
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    Here's an interesting You Tube:

    Climate Change In Presidential Debates Since 1988

    Too bad a State of the Union montage hasn't been made,
    I was thinking of the 2010 speech when President Obama
    was laughed at when he brought up the topic.
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    More on the science, that at every turn is not cast iron in the least:

    http://rankexploits.com/musings/2012...-in-the-night/

    So of these two papers, Wigley2006 offers a climate sensitivity but fails to reconcile to the measured flux data. Soden2002 does seek to match the observed flux data but does not report on the implied climate sensitivity.

    I am now sufficiently cynical about mainstream climate science to believe that the reason for the non-barking dogs in the two cases is the same. I will show that you cannot get a reasonable match to the flux and temperature data with a high [equilibrium climate sensitivity]. Wigley would have had to show a serious mismatch with the flux data, and Soden would have had to report and explain the politically incorrect, low, climate sensitivity implied by his match of the flux data.
    The theory [models] just doesn't match real world observations and scientists who are supposed to relish finding such contradictions bury them instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainwreck View Post
    The theory [models] just doesn't match real world observations and scientists who are supposed
    to relish finding such contradictions bury them instead.
    I'm not going to pretend I understand all the papers you referenced, but I do understand and can
    concur that it looks like climate scientists pick and choose what corrections to make what ones to
    ignore based on how it affects the theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    So it's "alarmist" even to write the word climate now?
    Only when written by an alarmist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    I take that back ... it is not without merit and I have started to look at sea level rise myself. However, I do think it is simplistic, and you started with a bias that you duly confirmed. "Confirmation bias" happens to us all.

    Ok, my challenge to you is this: submit your work for peer review.

    That is how scientific work gets evaluated. Or even send it to Anthony Watts and see if he will post it online.
    Please point me to where your sea level rise work, or any of your work has been peer reviewed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    So you slag off Evangelical Christians when they are scientists, and praise them to skies if and only if they also deny climate change, like our old friend Dr Roy Spencer.
    Show me where I've slagged off "Evangelical Christians," or praised them to the skies?
    You have a vivid imagination, which you should urgently make a serious effort to contain.

    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Shows how biased and prejudiced you are against anyone who dissents from your political agenda.
    Blah, blah, blah.
    Last edited by Earthling; 23rd October 2012 at 04:27 PM. Reason: spelling correction
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Case View Post
    Here's an interesting You Tube:

    Climate Change In Presidential Debates Since 1988

    Too bad a State of the Union montage hasn't been made,
    I was thinking of the 2010 speech when President Obama
    was laughed at when he brought up the topic.
    I always thought Dubya was stupid and haven't changed my mind, but if nothing else, he at least got Glowbull warming right, probably by accident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthling View Post
    I always thought Dubya was stupid and haven't changed my mind,
    but if nothing else, he at least got Glowbull warming right, probably
    by accident.
    Dubya has a mouth full of marbles, that's for sure, but he's not stupid.
    He has several hundred hours flying military jets, that's not for dummies.

    The U.S. media paints all Republicans as stupid. Surely you must
    recognize that fact.
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