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    A paper on sea level rise if Greenland or Antarctica melt at a steady rate. Behind a paywall, but the main charts can be viewed. See Figure 5 - it seems to project a raise of some 15mm per year.

    ScienceDirect.com - Quaternary Science Reviews - Rapid sea-level rise

    Regional processes, often connected to steric and glacial changes, include changes in ocean circulation (Meridional Overturning Circulation [MOC]), glacial melting, local GIA, regional subsidence and others. Paleoclimate, instrumental and modeling studies show that combinations of these factors can cause relatively rapid rates of sea-level rise exceeding 3 mm yr−1 over various timescales along particular coasts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthling View Post
    Here's a really easy challenge for you, name one climate science denier?

    The person must have publicly stated that they deny climate science.
    If you're unable to name one such person, I'll accept that you're just another gullible cult follower.
    Was it not earthling who slandered the IPCC, calling them liars, by using fake articles which he even didn't read himself...

    Come on, dude, what else you wanna tell us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthling View Post
    The island group of Tuvalu is an interesting subject, it's[sic] population numbers approximately 11,000, where 3,000 is probably the ideal number.
    Not sure what that has to do with climate change. Are they making the islands sink?
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    Unless China and the USA start to take Climate Change for real. We all better learn how to breathe under water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mackers View Post
    Unless China and the USA start to take Climate Change for real. We all better learn how to breathe under water.
    Help in this regard is begining to come from surprising quarters Mackers

    Norway will almost double carbon taxes on the oil industry in 2013 and raise cash to help developing nations protect tropical forests as part of measures to combat climate change, its draft budget showed on Monday.

    Norway would also raise the amount of cash spent to help developing nations protect tropical forests, which absorb carbon dioxide as they grow, to 3 billion crowns in 2013, up about 400 million from 2012.

    Norway doubles carbon tax on big oil, more cash to forests | Reuters
    With several Arab nations announcing energy efficiency plans, an influx of interest in solar energy has developed in the Middle East over the last few years.

    Saudi Arabia recently announced plans to generate 40 GW of solar energy by 2030, and the UAE is actively seeking to become a leader in the development of renewable energies.

    To meet the demands and goals of Saudi Arabia and other GCC countries, leading business groups from across the country gathered at the 2nd Annual Solar Arabia Summit, held today in Riyadh, to network and meet prospective partners.

    Saudi Arabian leaders turn to international solar experts | Naseba | AMEinfo.com
    Should we have taken more of an interest when Irish banks began to sell their property portfolios in 2006/7 ?

    Should we now begin to pay attention when the largest oil exportering countries begin to change their own energy supplies ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat Gill View Post
    Help in this regard is begining to come from surprising quarters Mackers

    Should we have taken more of an interest when Irish banks began to sell their property portfolios in 2006/7 ?

    Should we now begin to pay attention when the largest oil exportering countries begin to change their own energy supplies ??
    EU's new campaign asserts climate action saves money (today's IT)
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    Future under threat: climate change and children’s health

    Climate change has been widely recognised by leading public health organisations and prestigious peer reviewed journals as the the biggest global health threat of the 21st century.

    A recently released report, commissioned by 20 of the most vulnerable countries, highlights the size of the threat: climate change is already responsible for 400,000 deaths annually, mostly from hunger and communicable disease. And our carbon-intensive energy system causes another 4.5 million deaths annually, largely due to air pollution.

    Along with the old and disadvantaged, children are particularly vulnerable to the negative effects of climate change. Children suffer around 90% of the disease burden from climate change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Deniers reject ground data for temperature, and claim satellite data is the
    "gold standard", even when it isn't.

    On the other hand, they reject satellite data for sea level rise, and accept
    ground data only.

    Incoherent, or what?
    I think you have a point. Satellite data does agree with the ground data for
    temperature. The differences aren't worth arguing about in my book but
    they are obviously there. And both the tide gauge record and the satellite
    record show similar rates of change in acceleration, according to me at least.
    The base rate of sea level rise reported by tide gauges and satellites doesn't
    agree however and I don't know why that difference occurs. Even after you
    remove the ficticious GIA adjustment of 0.3 mm/yr from the satellite record,
    it still doesn't agree. Maybe Barry has some comment on that issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Case View Post
    I think you have a point. Satellite data does agree with the ground data for
    temperature. The differences aren't worth arguing about in my book but
    they are obviously there. And both the tide gauge record and the satellite
    record show similar rates of change in acceleration, according to me at least.
    The base rate of sea level rise reported by tide gauges and satellites doesn't
    agree however and I don't know why that difference occurs. Even after you
    remove the ficticious GIA adjustment of 0.3 mm/yr from the satellite record,
    it still doesn't agree. Maybe Barry has some comment on that issue.
    At least you are not accusing me of avoiding the issue, as stated by those who are avoiding the issue!

    The tide gauge data are something I would like to look into. I can see the advantage of a satellite measuring the sea surface directly using some form of laser telemetry or otherwise, whereas a tide gauge is a point location and can be affected by all sorts of local factors. Ironically, that is exactly the objection Anthony Watts et al make to temperature measurements at automatic weather stations, but he has been refuted many times.

    Incidentally, satellites do not measure temperature directly but use the microwave radiation from atmospheric oxygen as a proxy. This must be adjusted to estimate the temperature. This post from Dr Roy Spencer captures some of the difficulties of that. UAH Global Temperature Update for September, 2012: +?.?? deg. C « Roy Spencer, Ph. D.

    Can you (or Barry) give me the link for the tide gauge data again? Not sure when I can get to it.
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