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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan_Murphy View Post
    What, people aren't panicking on the street, therefore there the threat must not be real? Seriously?
    What threat ? With all thats going on in the world today this is what consumes you ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    What threat ? With all thats going on in the world today this is what consumes you ?
    If there is any danger from AGW it will manifest over decades, but people are consumed by "what's going on today." We're just not good at planning for the long-term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthling View Post
    The whole damned Glowbull warming discussion is nit-picking from start to never ending, not one internet climate scientist knows anything worth a toss.
    Like Steve with his "it's all politics," this is the measure of your approach.

    The topic covers a wide range of issues and themes. Why caricature it in monochrome?
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    I never realised the extent to which climate change science still fails such a broad measure of empirical tests. We really need to put a hold on all this alarmism until we genuinely have a clue:


    Man Made Global Warming Disproved JoNova: Science, carbon, climate and tax
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    Quote Originally Posted by barry schwarz View Post
    If there is any danger from AGW it will manifest over decades
    At least, possibly centuries, or even millennia, or not at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by barry schwarz View Post
    but people are consumed by "what's going on today."
    Is it really difficult for you to understand why that is?
    Live for today, for tomorrow never comes.
    "Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning." Albert Einstein

    Quote Originally Posted by barry schwarz View Post
    We're just not good at planning for the long-term.
    We're only human, Baz. ֿ

    Quote Originally Posted by barry schwarz View Post
    Like Steve with his "it's all politics," this is the measure of your approach.
    My approach can vary, much like the seasons.

    Quote Originally Posted by barry schwarz View Post
    The topic covers a wide range of issues and themes.
    A lot more than any one of the most brilliant minds could handle.

    Quote Originally Posted by barry schwarz View Post
    Why caricature it in monochrome?
    Why not?
    https://www.google.com/search?q=beau...w=1173&bih=790
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    Quote Originally Posted by barry schwarz View Post
    If there is any danger from AGW it will manifest over decades, but people are consumed by "what's going on today." We're just not good at planning for the long-term.
    We are very good at planning for the long-term. Our prosperity today proves that.


    What you are bemoaning is that we discount long distant events and the power of compound interest means that a cost in 100-200 years time is peanuts in todays money.


    That is why Stern had to completely fiddle his maths to make his report serve up the desired political narrative and was subsequently and completely rubbished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainwreck View Post
    I never realised the extent to which climate change science still fails such a broad measure of empirical tests. We really need to put a hold on all this alarmism until we genuinely have a clue:


    Man Made Global Warming Disproved JoNova: Science, carbon, climate and tax
    That's a great article, it should make a few people stop and think.
    Particularly:

    Observations from every angle point to a similar conclusion


    Studies involving 28 million weather balloons, thousands of satellite recordings, 3,000 ocean buoys, temperature recordings from 50 sites in the US and a 1,000 years of temperature proxies suggest that the Global Climate Models overestimate positive feedback and are based on poor assumptions. Observations suggest lower values for climate sensitivity whether we study long-term humidity, upper tropospheric temperature trends, outgoing long wave radiation, cloud cover changes, or the changes in the heat content of the vast oceans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainwreck View Post
    We are very good at planning for the long-term. Our prosperity today proves that..
    Yeah. Like the way the US spend squadrillions of moolah on defending a nuclear attack that never happened. And spent squadrillions more on enough nuclear hardware to strip the outer crust off the planet. And the USSR did the same.

    And squadrillions more were spent on conventional technologies to put millions of men into uniform to go and fight in Europe.

    And trillions were spent keeping fleets of aircraft carriers in the Middle East in case US oil supplies were ever threatened.

    Not to mention how the human race were using CFCs for decades before anyone pointed out that it damages the ozone layer. Thousands of thalidomide sufferers would also applaud.

    Yeah, we sure can plan ahead. Here is the best film tribute to that lovable human trait:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthling View Post
    That's a great article, it should make a few people stop and think.
    Particularly:

    Observations from every angle point to a similar conclusion
    Jo Nova is a joke, a pseudoscientist with no qualifications to do anything except blog.

    Anyone who had a modicum of "skepticism" in their bones would check out her statements, and find they were wrong.

    She can sure fool the rubes, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Yeah. Like the way the US spend squadrillions of moolah on defending a nuclear attack that never happened. And spent squadrillions more on enough nuclear hardware to strip the outer crust off the planet. And the USSR did the same.

    And squadrillions more were spent on conventional technologies to put millions of men into uniform to go and fight in Europe.

    And trillions were spent keeping fleets of aircraft carriers in the Middle East in case US oil supplies were ever threatened.

    Not to mention how the human race were using CFCs for decades before anyone pointed out that it damages the ozone layer. Thousands of thalidomide sufferers would also applaud.

    Yeah, we sure can plan ahead. Here is the best film tribute to that lovable human trait:
    OK, so for some reason I don't want to pry about, your life sucks. We get it.

    But I happen to know I live a far more prosperous and healthy life than my grandparents or great grandaparents did and it didn't happen because the human race doesn't do long term planning.
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