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    Those New Zealand friends with the Climate Show - lot about glaciers in this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Just when you thought climate science deniers had had enough of their over-the-topic antics ....

    ... the Heartland Institute come out with a billboard campaign comparing climate scientists to the Unabomber and Fidel Castro ....

    http://hot-topic.co.nz/poisonous-hea...ed-billboards/

    I guess the GENOCIDE! screamers will be queuing up over this one ...

    Heartland Institute compares belief in global warming to mass murder | Leo Hickman | Environment | guardian.co.uk
    The Heartland Institute's crazy media campaign has led to a chorus of condemnation.

    e.g. Discover Magazine

    The Heartland Institute, a far-right climate change denying "thinktank" has put up a series of billboards so disgusting, so vile, that I find it difficult to find words to tell you just how disgusting and vile they are.
    The Heartland Institute sinks to a new low | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine

    Others:

    The Right And The Climate: A New Low - The Dish | By Andrew Sullivan - The Daily Beast

    Heartland Institute launches campaign linking terrorism, murder, and global warming belief - Capital Weather Gang - The Washington Post

    At least one Congressman, John Sensenbrenner (R) has pulled out of the forthcoming Heartland Denial-a-Palooza Conference in Chicago. So they seem to be trying to retrieve the situation:

    4 p.m. update: Heartland Institute President and CEO Joe Bast has issued the following statement:

    We will stop running [the billboard] at 4:00 p.m. CST today. (It’s a digital billboard, so a simple phone call is all it takes.)

    The Heartland Institute knew this was a risk when deciding to test it, but decided it was a necessary price to make an emotional appeal to people who otherwise aren’t following the climate change debate.
    Sure, Joe, tell it to Joe Camel.

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    World’s First Circumnavigation By Solar Powered Ship A Success

    At 2:12 PM local time today, the MS Tűranor entered Monaco’s Hercule Harbor, becoming the first ship to travel around the world using only solar power.

    It’s the same harbor where the Tűranor set out from more than 19 months and 37,286 miles ago. Since then, the ship has made port in six continents, fended off pirates and broke four Guinness world records, including longest journey by solar powered boat and first circumnavigation by solar powered boat.


    Meanwhile, Coast Guard to get proposal for eco friendly alternative to Sentinel FRC

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    As if we didn't know .... new paper reported in Science Daily:

    Arctic Sea-Ice Loss Didn't Happen by Chance

    ScienceDaily (May 2, 2012) — The ongoing rapid retreat of Arctic sea ice is often interpreted as the canary in the mine for anthropogenic climate change. In a new study, scientists have now systematically examined the validity of this claim. They find that neither natural fluctuations nor self-acceleration can explain the observed Arctic sea-ice retreat. Instead, the recent evolution of Arctic sea ice shows a strong, physically plausible correlation with the increasing greenhouse gas concentration. For Antarctic sea ice, no such link is found -- for a good reason.
    Arctic sea-ice loss didn't happen by chance

    Antarctica:

    In the Antarctic, the situation is different. Here, the sea-ice cover is slightly increasing. This increase is clearly incompatible with greenhouse gas concentration being the main driver for the sea-ice evolution down South. The major reason for this discrepancy lies in the different land-mass distributions, the scientists find. In the Arctic Ocean, the ice is virtually locked by the surrounding land masses, and its extent is primarily governed by its melting and freezing.
    http://www.mpimet.mpg.de/fileadmin/s...12GL051094.pdf

    Here is a key chart from the paper. See chart on the left of the row. Notice how solar irradiance, or any natural variability factors, do not give strong correlations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirCharles View Post

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    World’s First Circumnavigation By Solar Powered Ship A Success

    At 2:12 PM local time today, the MS Tűranor entered Monaco’s Hercule Harbor, becoming the first ship to travel around the world using only solar power.

    It’s the same harbor where the Tűranor set out from more than 19 months and 37,286 miles ago. Since then, the ship has made port in six continents, fended off pirates and broke four Guinness world records, including longest journey by solar powered boat and first circumnavigation by solar powered boat.


    Meanwhile, Coast Guard to get proposal for eco friendly alternative to Sentinel FRC


    You're a fu-cling idiot. What does this story have to do with climate change. Nobody is against solar technology dipstick, simply against it being forced to use for consumer at massive cost compared to the incumbent technologies just because some people set their pants when someone tells them a made scary story about how the world is going to end.

    Without lookinmg further this may be a sensible thing to do - but unfortunately we do know government morons may simply be throwing more taxpayers' money down the tubes, this time in critical rescue and defence services.

    But if I try to tie this to the actual thread topic somehow I would have to point out to you and you cretin mates that even if this is economically sensible it is no more than the march of technology and by it scale would have zero implications for climate change even if you believed your whacky catastrophe hypothesis.
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    Well, here is a challenge to Tombo and his mates.

    One continuous theme of denialism is that "only a handful" of "radical" climate scientists are "pushing" climate change. Anytime now, the rest of climate science is going to rise up in righteous wrath and consign the obstreperous few to oblivion.

    However, "anytime now" stretches back 20 years or more.

    Leaving that aside, survey after survey of climate scientists show that 97% of them accept the scientific consensus, best summarised in the IPCC reports.

    And, look, Wikipedia has obligingly recorded all the surveys on a single page, all surveys done by different investigators, with different methodologies.

    But all giving more or less the same answer ....



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveys...climate_change

    Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Disagree? Then prove me wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Well, here is a challenge to Tombo and his mates.

    One continuous theme of denialism is that "only a handful" of "radical" climate scientists are "pushing" climate change. Anytime now, the rest of climate science is going to rise up in righteous wrath and consign the obstreperous few to oblivion.

    However, "anytime now" stretches back 20 years or more.

    Leaving that aside, survey after survey of climate scientists show that 97% of them accept the scientific consensus, best summarised in the IPCC reports.

    And, look, Wikipedia has obligingly recorded all the surveys on a single page, all surveys done by different investigators, with different methodologies.

    But all giving more or less the same answer ....



    Surveys of scientists' views on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Disagree? Then prove me wrong.
    Trollo keeps on his insulting campaign. Meanwhile, the Heartland Institute Pulls Its Global Warming Ad

    The Heartland Institute ended a billboard campaign that compared those who believe in climate science to what it called “the world’s most notorious killers.”


    Also => Unabomber Bombs. Heartland Cuts and Runs from Disastrous Billboards




    Well. Trollo still prefers to post incomprehensible BS here...



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    Climate Impact Day paints bleak picture on Aspen Mountain (The Aspen Times, Colorado, 6 May 2012)

    ASPEN — As the sun baked the Gondola Plaza at the base of Aspen Mountain on Saturday afternoon, Mayor Mick Ireland pointed to Bell Mountain and its dwindling snow.

    “Right now, because of the disappearing snow, you're looking at the peak river output you'll see all year,” he said.

    Ireland led off for six other speakers at the plaza for 350.org's Climate Impact Day. The Aspen event was one of more than 1,000 rallies in more than 100 nations in an effort to “Connect the Dots” between extreme weather and climate change. Aspen organizers adopted another theme: “Protect Our Winters.”

    “The main point is that climate change is already happening,” said Micah Parki, 350.org's regional organizer. “We are seeing a lot of impacts such as less snowfall.”

    “We're standing in solidarity with people around the world.”

    The first demonstration Saturday took place in the Pacific Ocean, near the Marshall Islands. Organizers held that event underwater near a coral reef — one in danger of disappearing because of changing ocean temperatures.

    Auden Schendler, vice president of sustainability for Aspen Skiing Co., echoed Ireland's comments, saying that the climate already is affecting businesses.

    “This was the hottest March in the Lower 48 states in history,” Schendler said. “We don't just have a climate problem — we actually have a democracy problem.”

    He indicated that free speech is actually limited in the U.S. to those who have the money to make enough noise. But events like 350.org's serve to give the majority a voice and to educate people about climate change.

    “We may be the most ecological-illiterate society in history,” said Chris Lane, chief executive officer for the Aspen Center for Environmental Studies.

    ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Those New Zealand friends with the Climate Show - lot about glaciers in this one.

    Here's one of the best videos I have ever seen on climate change. Very informative, accurate and a great laugh.

    Austrian AV Club – Marc Morano of Climate Depot on the “Global War on Humanity”
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    Quote Originally Posted by climate123 View Post
    Here's one of the best videos I have ever seen on climate change. Very informative, accurate and a great laugh.

    Austrian AV Club – Marc Morano of Climate Depot on the “Global War on Humanity”
    I'm not listening to one hour of myths and fairy tales from Marc Morano who has no climate science expertise at all, but runs the anti-climate-science website ClimateDepot.com. If that's what you call "very informative" you seemingly haven't learnt much about AGW at all.

    The Austrian AV Club has nothing to do with Austria. It's actually the Mises Institute of Canada which is the centre for the study of the Austrian School of Economics in Canada. It's a right-wing libertarian club run by Ludwig Von Mises and Jeffrey Tucker. Austrians are generally advocates of laissez-faire policies, politics which do not want to control corporations, pollution, emissions etc. They're opposing consumers' representation, workers' unions, the EPA and other government agencies whose overt mission is to protect citizens and the environment.

    Here another masterpiece of the Austrian AV Club:



    Yawn!
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