The US Senate is holding hearings to discuss sea level rise and its impact on infrastructure.
NASA Chief Scientist Dr. Waleed Abdalati;
Dr. Ben Strauss, Director of the Program on Sea Level Rise for Climate Central;
Dr. Anthony Janetos, Director of the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory’s Joint Global Change Research Institute;
Mr. Adam Freed, Deputy Director for the Mayor’s Office of Long Term Planning and Sustainability, New York, NY;
Dr. Leonard Berry, Director of Florida Atlantic University’s Florida Center for Environmental Studies.
...the potential damage to homes, infrastructure, and populations is grave indeed.
Mr. Freed added that most New York in-city power plants are located near the water as a matter of logistics. These plants need fuel deliveries, water for cooling, steam generation, and discharge. Unfortunately, this means 10 out of 17 of the plants are in flood zones, a number that is expected to increase.
Only one Republican turned up, Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, who was surprisingly knowledgeable about the impact of sea level rise on her state. Other Republicans were no doubt off discussing really important sh*t like Obama's birth certificate.
Look lads you can pile as much manure on the old pile of manure that this thread is and it is still gonna stink. You guys (owed and antothool... ah I couldn't be arsed trying to spell your name correctly. Couldn't you just have called yourself John?) are just members a neo-puritan cult. They have a need to feel morally superior and point the finger. Exercise control. Stifle debate. That paints a picture for the majority of people. While many people don't have the ability to follow the debate, such as some members of my family, they can still spot a bulls..t artist a mile off. And that's all you are.
I've been a longtime lurker and have watched this thread get bumped and bumped. Why? This old timer(the global warming thread) has put in the long yards and should be allowed to die quietly. People are kinda sick of being told they are gonna have to pay for a non existent problem while China build a coal fired power station every week.
Just because you guys have been brainwashed doesn't mean everybody else has to drink the cool aid. The game is up. The propaganda didn't work. Logical free thinkers won the day. Green politics got a taste of the main stream and you liked it, but this was an exception not the norm so don't get used to it. Now get back to fringe of politics where you belong. Can I get an Amen ah. Praise almighty science.
Well said. You also probably notice that the movement is infested with narcissists. Ironic that they adopt a pretense of empathy by concerning about future generations when they really have complete contempt for humans. The reason they use the term "denier" is because the semantics of such when it is perceived by most people has connotations to "holocaust denier". In other words they use the horrific execution of over 6 million people to politically point score and demonise anyone who has the "cheek" to exercise their natural right to oppose their conjectures.
History has shown us that there statist environmentalism and fascism is interwoven.
Another country where apparently watson's green "fringe politics" won the day.
The Mexican legislature passed one of the strongest national climate-change laws so far on 19 April. Mexico, which ranks 11th in the world for both the size of its economy and its level of carbon emissions, joins the United Kingdom in having legally binding emissions goals aimed at stemming the effects of climate change.
After three years of debate and revisions, the bill passed in Mexico’s lower house with a vote of 128 for and 10 against, and was later passed unanimously by the Senate. The new law contains many sweeping provisions to mitigate climate change, including a mandate to reduce emissions of carbon dioxide by 30% below business-as-usual levels by 2020, and by 50% below 2000 levels by 2050.
Funny, I can't remember a Green Party takeover in Mexico. Or a Fascist takeover in the UK or Australia. Or in California, Vermont, New York or Maine.
People who can't tell the difference between "green politics" and the reality of climate change just have not been listening, or maybe are just fighting straw men of their own imagining. In a word - Deniers!.
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Forbes do publish the repellent obscurantist Pat "40% of my funding is from fossil fuel companies" Michaels, but Zwick seems to be a more-than-effective balance.
I’ve been accused on this blog of being mean to climate deniers – of calling them “deniers” when they fancy themselves “skeptics”. Well, what else do we call people who ignore and even distort evidence that doesn’t support their prejudice? I can think of words that are a lot worse than “denier”, but changing our terminology to suit deniers is like calling a thief a businessman just because that’s how he sees himself.
Concerns have been expressed, for example on the blog Real Climate, about the apparent increase in concentration of methane (CH4) from Siberia. CH4 is a way more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. Methane release is now the most widely accepted cause of the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum 57 million years ago when the earth's temperature increased by 5 to 7 degrees in about 10,000 years, then decreased as the carbon was absorbed by the carbon cycle.
However, a sharp increase of a potent greenhouse gas on top of increasing human emissions would be a catastrophe.
Methane is second from the top as a radiative forcing, though its concentration is parts per billion. A sudden, massive methane increase would be a short, sharp experiment in the theory of global warming. As a positive feedback, it could possibly lead to other disastrous feedbacks. It is an experiment I would not like us to undergo, though, if it is on the cards, there is nothing we can do to prevent it.
Tamino does find an steady increase in methane, but no evidence of a massive release - yet.
I do see signs of steady methane increase. Methane is indeed a potent greenhouse gas, and a sudden massive release (50 Gt) would indeed be disastrous. But even steady release at the present rate will raise the level of greenhouse-gas warming, making the global warming problem worse. Surely it’s something to be concerned about, and measures we can take to reduce methane emissions will be beneficial.
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