im putting a windmill up at the back of the house. its going to cost me 7K euro. I dont need PP for this as its on my own ground and its totally hidden from the road. it will be on a hill about 200m from the house.
I reckon i wont be needing the ESB in a few years. Gonna get one of those rechargable cars as well.
Dont need oil either. and i will have solar panels on roof as well.
As far as I can see the Wind Farm plans are just there to allow the government to bide its time until a more feasible plan comes along. God knows when that will be. Since Wind was first seriously tauted as a viable alternaive energy source the term 'Carbon footprint' has entered both our vocabulary and our economic model. Since then Wind has taken a beating in the viability stakes, even before the obvious shortfalls were addressed (which they still have not been). And it frankly scuppers any argument about wind micro-generation.
Linking into a UK grid to shore up a shakey wind solution is putting reliance on the UKs already muddled and unclear energy future and does not inspire confidance in an already expensive plan. All that is outside of NIMBY, and even taking that aside there is still Landscape polution, which as we have already seen also relates to off shore developments.
Are you nuts?Originally Posted by Thac0man
Did you see how much Airtricity sold for?
What Industry is Eddie O'Connor gone into now?
Did you know there is a two year wait for new Wind Turbines, such is the demand for them?
Wind has been cheaper than Gas for at least two years - according to the CER. (and Gas prices are going up by another 15%-25% this winter)
Don't believe the mischievious hype put out by vested interests who try to knock wind so as to promote their own agendas.
"Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest." Mark Twain
“When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.” Napoléon Bonaparte
The economic viability of wind is dependent on market regulation to make it competitive. Do you honestly suggest that wind generation sites produce power as cheaply as the likes of Moneypoint? If so then you're in a minority of one. The presence of such regulation in the market is what makes it attractive for the likes of Eddie O'Connor and others.Are you nuts?
Did you see how much Airtricity sold for?
What Industry is Eddie O'Connor gone into now?
Did you know there is a two year wait for new Wind Turbines, such is the demand for them?
Wind has been cheaper than Gas for at least two years - according to the CER. (and Gas prices are going up by another 15%-25% this winter)
Don't believe the mischievious hype put out by vested interests who try to knock wind so as to promote their own agendas.
Please tell us more about this market regulation that benefits Wind so much.The economic viability of wind is dependent on market regulation to make it competitive. Do you honestly suggest that wind generation sites produce power as cheaply as the likes of Moneypoint? If so then you're in a minority of one. The presence of such regulation in the market is what makes it attractive for the likes of Eddie O'Connor and others.Are you nuts?
Did you see how much Airtricity sold for?
What Industry is Eddie O'Connor gone into now?
Did you know there is a two year wait for new Wind Turbines, such is the demand for them?
Wind has been cheaper than Gas for at least two years - according to the CER. (and Gas prices are going up by another 15%-25% this winter)
Don't believe the mischievious hype put out by vested interests who try to knock wind so as to promote their own agendas.
"Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest." Mark Twain
“When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.” Napoléon Bonaparte
The price of electricity charged to the consumer is subject to regulatory approval. If it was not the ESB could undercut all other competitors as electricity produced at large scale plants such as Moneypoint which are almost fully depreciated is far cheaper. As it stands the price of electricity is set at levels which permit new entrants to the market, in both renewable and other areas, to be in a position to compete.
So why pick on renewables, when it applies to new entrants. (By the way, looks like the consumer is paying a price for "competition")
Of course Moneypoint is cheap -- in economic terms. They built it on the cheap -- without scrubbers on the chimneys. The result is that, for decades, Clare, Limerick and Kerry have been polluted by Moneypoint's smoke, and there has not been proper monitoring or investigation of the effects.
The main danger with coal smoke is fluoride, which is many times more harmful than sulphur dioxide or any other constituent of the smoke. This simple fact has never been acknowledged by any Irish government agency (DoHC, EPA, etc.). Even the doyen of Irish expertise on smoke-related disease, Dr Luke Clancy, has never said anything about it, despite Dublin's own disaster with coal smoke in January 1982.
These important facts have been acknowledged at official level in the U.S., where airborne fluoride comes mainly from coal-fired power stations:
-- US Department of Agriculture. Agricultural Handbook No. 380. Revised. 1972. p. 109.Airborne fluorides have caused more worldwide damage to domestic animals than any other air pollutant.
Full details here.
15 Jan 2001 -- Fine Gael pledged to end fluoridation because of "serious health concerns".
Not sure what exactly you're asking me here on the point I highlighted.
So why pick on renewables, when it applies to new entrants. (By the way, looks like the consumer is paying a price for "competition")
On your point regarding competition you have a valid point. The manner in which is being done is a little half arsed in the short to medium term. A better way could have been to break the ESB up into competing companies each will equal asset bases in terms of depreciated facilities. However this would also make it difficult for new entrants to the market as their prices would need to reflect to the early high cost of depreciation on new capital investment.
Another approach with would tip the balance in favour of cleaner forms of energy is to put a price on the externality of fossil fuel based power generation, i.e. a tax per tonne of CO2 emissions as discussed on the thread from a few days back regarding the viability of nuclear power.
For the love of God!!! If someone nipped down to Spar to buy a sandwich you'd find some way of linking it into your great flouride conspiracy!Of course Moneypoint is cheap -- in economic terms. They built it on the cheap -- without scrubbers on the chimneys. The result is that, for decades, Clare, Limerick and Kerry have been polluted by Moneypoint's smoke, and there has not been proper monitoring or investigation of the effects.
The main danger with coal smoke is fluoride, which is many times more harmful than sulphur dioxide or any other constituent of the smoke. This simple fact has never been acknowledged by any Irish government agency (DoHC, EPA, etc.). Even the doyen of Irish expertise on smoke-related disease, Dr Luke Clancy, has never said anything about it, despite Dublin's own disaster with coal smoke in January 1982.
These important facts have been acknowledged at official level in the U.S., where airborne fluoride comes mainly from coal-fired power stations:
-- US Department of Agriculture. Agricultural Handbook No. 380. Revised. 1972. p. 109.Airborne fluorides have caused more worldwide damage to domestic animals than any other air pollutant.
Full details here.
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