Government approve new land bill: 'use it or lose it'

[joemomma]

They have contributed enormously to the Celtic Tiger by getting planning permissions past the objections of old money elites

What? Do you have even a single example of what you're talking about here?

[michael1965]

Going back to the "use it or lose it" business. What will happen to the (tens of) thousands of corner sites in housing estates, that haven't had a house built on them yet. Since these are all in residentially zoned areas, will this mean the owners must build a house in their garden, within 5 years, or else they will never be able to ??

[alonso]

Most developers are building tradesmen who made money building houses and while a minority of them are extremely rich,they are hardly the stuff of elitism. They have contributed enormously to the Celtic Tiger by getting planning permissions past the objections of old money elites, except in Georgian Dublin where the Council believes in the idiotic planning notion of keeping Dunlin flat as a pancake. They are the object of great envy by a minority of university educated bedgrudgers who haven't the courage to start a business, enslaved to the steady weekly wage.

Possibly the most blinkered summation of the last 15 years. Congrats.

How many old money elites objected to the sprawl of Dublin across all of Leinster which made these humble traders millionarires? That's right. ************************ all. Ridiculous post pat, truly bloody ridiculous

[patslatt]

patslatt wrote:Most developers are building tradesmen who made money building houses and while a minority of them are extremely rich,they are hardly the stuff of elitism. They have contributed enormously to the Celtic Tiger by getting planning permissions past the objections of old money elites, except in Georgian Dublin where the Council believes in the idiotic planning notion of keeping Dunlin flat as a pancake. They are the object of great envy by a minority of university educated bedgrudgers who haven't the courage to start a business, enslaved to the steady weekly wage.

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Possibly the most blinkered summation of the last 15 years. Congrats.

How many old money elites objected to the sprawl of Dublin across all of Leinster which made these humble traders millionarires? That's right. ********* ********* all. Ridiculous post pat, truly bloody ridiculous
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Leinster's urban sprawl was partly the fault of developers but mainly the fault of the government,which is responsible for planning laws.Developers were responding to market demand for one-off houses and single family houses,a demand facilitated by lack of planning and by the desire of Irish people to own a one-off.

The planning profession deserves a good share of the blame for sprawl because it failed
to educate the mass media on the issue. As a result,the Irish public and Dublin City's councillors remained ignorant
of the virtues of attractively designed high rises that are commonplace in leading European and American cities.

[alonso]

Pat for the millionth time, High rise is a red herring in this debate. The issue is density.

However this is certainly true:

The planning profession deserves a good share of the blame for sprawl because it failed
to educate the mass media on the issue

But in fairness if you read my posts, and Schuharts on regional development, and the responses to them, you will see it is extemely difficult to get reasonable arguments across